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Facebook freezes Venezuela president Maduro's page over Covid-19

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Re: Facebook freezes Venezuela president Maduro's page over Covid-19

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Post by Izkata »

DiogenesKynikos wrote: post #34
concordDance wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> recommending bleach injections This is a mischaracterization.

Trump spitballed about injecting disinfectants into people's lungs. He didn't say that individual people should do it, but he did say that doctors should test it out. > And then I see the disinfectant, where it knocks it out in a minute. One minute. And is there a way we can do something like that, by injection inside or almost a cleaning. Because you see it gets in the lungs and it does a tremendous number on the lu…

More to the point, everyone is ignoring this part:

> And is there a way we can do something like that

Trump isn't a scientist, he had a vague understanding and was asking others if this made any sense.

Re: Facebook freezes Venezuela president Maduro's page over Covid-19

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Post by gameswithgo »

abhinav22 wrote: post #2

Not sure about this - I don’t think government leaders or anybody should be censored. Better to have public health messages as part of the platform than to censor It’s a fine line between hate and misinformation and dissent (Clearly the content in question is wrong; but in other cases, WHO and others been proven incorrect - eg on masks and asymptotic transmission) Don’t know what the answer is, we don’t want echo cha…

Well then you can pay for some servers for people to post text and leave up the text that you think is reasonable.

Re: Facebook freezes Venezuela president Maduro's page over Covid-19

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Post by appleflaxen »

dannyw wrote: post #19
pumaontheprowl wrote: post #17

A lot of this is starting to remind me of the way Galileo and Darwin were treated for announcing their breakthroughs. I know nothing about this drug Maduro is touting, but I can't help worrying that one of these days somebody is going to find an actual cure and the world will never know about it because big social media companies exile them for wrongthink.

You don't announce the discovery of a miracle cure via social media, you announce it via clinical trial papers.

the medium you use does not establish the truth of your claim.

Re: Facebook freezes Venezuela president Maduro's page over Covid-19

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Post by tryonenow »

Izkata wrote: post #137

Carvativir is the same as (according to Wikipedia) or derived from (according to other sites) carvacrol. From this, it took me five minutes to find evidence that we should actually investigate this and can't just dismiss Maduro as wrong: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3768712/ > Carvacrol alone exhibited high antiviral activity against RV with a SI of 33, but it was less efficient than the oil for the o…

It was the same story with hydroxychloroquine, which was a promising treatment until trump made the mistake of mentioning it publicly.

These purely ideologically driven non-experts in media and tech have absolutely no business playing gatekeeper with censorship. They're doing far more harm than good.

Re: Facebook freezes Venezuela president Maduro's page over Covid-19

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Post by hrktb »

aetherson wrote: post #120
hrktb wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One issue is that it’s asymmetrical. Made up statements have more resonance and shocking value than well thought rebuffs or ridicule. If you accuse your opponent of eating babies at breakfast, other parties will have a hard time to find something as punchy, and some minority of people will swallow your statement. Throw around enough of these and you’ll have a large base covered, with your opponents left scrambling fo…

And that is why you, yourself, believe lots of wrong things like this, right?

I think that yes, I am effectively exposed to random baseless lies, and only a few of the voices crying foul will ever reach my eyes.

For instance I read a headline about future rising petrol prices due to the stuck Evergreen boat, and honestly I have no idea how true it is, don’t care enough to go down the rabbit hole, but still remembered it as an information, and might subconsciously be influenced by it on some decisions.

This is less likely to happen on fields I have decent interest or expertise in, but that only represents a tiny fragment of the information we consume everyday.

Re: Facebook freezes Venezuela president Maduro's page over Covid-19

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Post by [deleted] »

Kalium wrote: post #84
pumaontheprowl wrote: post #17

A lot of this is starting to remind me of the way Galileo and Darwin were treated for announcing their breakthroughs. I know nothing about this drug Maduro is touting, but I can't help worrying that one of these days somebody is going to find an actual cure and the world will never know about it because big social media companies exile them for wrongthink.

It's worth bearing in mind that Galileo was not treated poorly for his scientific advances. He was treated poorly because his scientific claims tended to run in advance of what he could prove, because he made an ass of himself when his peers pointed this out, and then he went on to antagonize the temporal powers that be.

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Re: Facebook freezes Venezuela president Maduro's page over Covid-19

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Post by nmz »

tartoran wrote: post #125
llaolleh wrote: post #66

I worry about this kind of censorship. There is no guarantee that the WHO is right either. Remember that the entire group of doctors thought blood letting was a good idea. How can we be sure that modern science doesn't have significant gaps in understanding either? Remember how the majority thought the housing market was too big to crash? I'd much prefer no censorship and let people decide for themselves. What we sho…

Im not disagreeing or anything but is bloodletting a bad thing? Genuinely asking. I thought it was known regenerating ones bloodcells is a good thing. Is that erroneous? Last time I went to a blooddrive I was browsing a pamphlet that contained some benefits of giving blood aside from helping others in need.

It isn't, the practice stopped in the 19th century or so, its still used for some ailments but its not a cure all as they used to believe 200 years ago.

https://maximumfun.org/episodes/sawbones/sawbones-bloodletti...

PS: Fun fact, George Washington was killed because of blood letting. they basically bled him to death.

Re: Facebook freezes Venezuela president Maduro's page over Covid-19

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Post by codabool »

abhinav22 wrote: post #2

Not sure about this - I don’t think government leaders or anybody should be censored. Better to have public health messages as part of the platform than to censor It’s a fine line between hate and misinformation and dissent (Clearly the content in question is wrong; but in other cases, WHO and others been proven incorrect - eg on masks and asymptotic transmission) Don’t know what the answer is, we don’t want echo cha…

WHO statement on masks was misleading but I didn't see it as wrong (only wrong in the sense that they should focus on people's perception of their statements). They said that there was no evidence that masks help. Which was true at the time. They paired that statement with suggestions use a variety of prevention methods.

The statement from Dr. Maria Van Kerkhove that symptomatic patients being "very rare" was definitely wrong. But she back tracked the next day and said it only possible they are rare and was aware of the 40% models which have now come out to be much closer to the truth.

Re: Facebook freezes Venezuela president Maduro's page over Covid-19

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Post by radiator »

young_unixer wrote: post #129
cabirum wrote: post #12

People should start thinking twice before using US-controlled platforms/services/anything.

You say US-controlled, but I can't think of a country that would be better than the US in this regard. European countries are not the biggest fans of free speech. And then you have China, Russia, etc. which are even worse.

Perhaps there will be more than one, then. There will be different ideologies which will be protected and different ones which will be censored on each one of them. In total there might be more freedom of speech.

A teacher in high school told us: to the question "which newspaper should I read?" the answer is "not one single newspaper".

Re: Facebook freezes Venezuela president Maduro's page over Covid-19

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Post by geoduck14 »

TulliusCicero wrote: post #114
vixen99 wrote: post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Facebook has 2.7 billion users or 34% of world population. Out of interest, I'm curious to know if, given that they are in effect, judge and jury on their own private platform, there is any % level of penetration at which you might change your view? It appears you'd set no limit at all.

> given that they are in effect, judge and jury on their own private platform You say this like it's some weird, bizarre thing. Who else should be judge and jury by default on a private platform? Should there be some government committee any time a new social media company starts up? In any case, to answer your question: if the issue is that they've become too powerful, and there's a reasonable case to make there, th…

You can actually sue in court (in America) if a business kicks you out for protected reasons. So we don't need a governmental committee- we have the courts to arbitrate our cases for us.
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