EU experts to say nuclear power qualifies for green investment label: document

Post by Haemm0r » Sat, Mar 27, 2021, 7:23 PM UTC

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The comparison of a happening with basically no longterm consequences to future generations like MH17 to nuclear fallout / necessary waste treatment is quite lame imho. Nuclear energy without subsidies is not sustainable at all. Just do the math if you need decades to dismantle and decontaminate an old nuclear power plant alone.

> Nuclear energy without subsidies is not sustainable at all And yet we seem to be doing just that here in Finland. The for profit companies operating and building the plants have been trying to get permits to build more (and very likely are going to get another one soon). Even with the "failure" of Olkiluoto 3 they seem to find a way to do it in a profitable enough way that they (2 companies TVO and Fennovoima) want…

Post by drran » Sat, Mar 27, 2021, 7:24 PM UTC

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Ridiculous Arm-chair Concept: - What if we make a 1 meter wall thick lead / steel container and seal the waste in and leave it? Surely nothing can break it, not even an earthquake. Just make a giant tennis court sized containers and dump stuff in there. We know how to build bridges, surely we can build large containers. Just want to learn, I am sure this is proposed and would love to know why its a stupid idea.

This is basically what we already do, and it works fine. But opponents will still pester you about where to put the sealed boxes :P

Post by [deleted] » Sat, Mar 27, 2021, 7:26 PM UTC

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> Fukushima cleanup costs will be between $470 and $660 billion. Germany's nuclear phase out costs the country $12 billion per year plus 1100 additional deaths due to air pollution: > https://haas.berkeley.edu/wp-content/uploads/WP304.pdf > And, EVEN INCLUDING that, nuclear is about 3x more expensive than solar and wind. Except you are comparing levelized costs of electrity with the total system costs. Wind and solar…

>Nuclear was never subsidized in Germany When nuclear plants were built in Germany you couldn't get green electricity for $33 / MWh. >It's not. Please compare which countries have nuclear weapons and which have nuclear power. This is equally true of everywhere else. It's not about who built them 30 years ago. It's about who still wants to build them. >Anyone who claims that nuclear power is a step towards nuclear wea…

Post by fulafel » Sat, Mar 27, 2021, 7:27 PM UTC

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Base load is just a made up convention though closely related to traditional fixed rate prices, and may become increasingly fictional in the future as demand adapts to more variable supply and dynamic pricing.

> demand adapts to more variable supply and dynamic pricing You want demand to adapt? I'm supposed to turn the lights out when the wind's not blowing, or what? Demand shouldn't adapt, supply should adapt. Connect more and bigger power grids, add energy storage to the grid in large enough quantities. Your "solution" is like telling people to give up cars. They won't.

Post by rrss » Sat, Mar 27, 2021, 7:28 PM UTC

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I just don't really see how this is true. Isn't the basic idea to just dig a really deep hole somewhere geologically stable and dump it in? My impression isn't that the problem isn't solvable, but simply that no one has actually made the appropriate investment yet. That sounds like the same catch-22 as the rest of this. We've thrown up our hands and gone "Not worth it" and then our lack of investment in proper storag…

> geologically stable Isn't really a think when we thing about the time scale of nuclear wast... Additionally Politicians mess in seriously bad ways with anything related to nuclear. Like pushing for nuclear power but if it's found that the objective best place to store the wast underground is around where they live they will try all kind of things to exclude the best suited place from the list of potential candidate…