Live data from Hacker News

400-year-old Greenland shark ‘longest-living vertebrate’ (2016)

bbc.com

21–30 of 113 posts

Re: 400-year-old Greenland shark ‘longest-living vertebrate’ (2016)

#21
post #3

Confirmation bias is a creepy thing sometimes. I was literally asking my Google Home last night what the longest living vertebrate was and it told me the Greenland shark. Had a whole conversation about it over dinner, arguing about how accurate we think these age-establishing methods are. Though the more interesting part of our conversation (I would say) was wondering how ages work out in practice. For example why do…

By far the most important reason dictating lifespan is evolvability - the ability to adapt genetically [0].

This has so great effect that it's easy to observe even in a simple computer simulations. If you don't adapt and the environment is changing, then you go extinct.

Think about this sharks and how much their environment has changed since they were born. As a spices they will have a very hard time adapting to the changes we induce in the environment. While small animals that have lifespan in weeks, months or few years will be adapting a lot faster. E.g. in one generation of this shark a mouse will go trough up to 900 generations with up to 12 offspring in each generation.

This shark probably will go extinct and mice will thrive.

Interesting consequence of this effect is that our lifespan is most likely not dictated by any fundamental limitations of biological machinery to maintain us healthy indefinitely.

A lot more likely is that we are evolutionary designed to get old and die.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolvability

Re: 400-year-old Greenland shark ‘longest-living vertebrate’ (2016)

#22

The Icelandic dish of hákarl (fermented shark) is often made using Greenland shark.

... which doesn't taste nearly as bad as you've heard and is produced in limited quantities only as result of the few bycatch sharks accidentally netted each year.

Re: 400-year-old Greenland shark ‘longest-living vertebrate’ (2016)

#23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Heartrate has been found to play a big part. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/9316546/ Animals with slower heart rates tend to be longer lived. An interesting sidenote are bats, which have heart rates about the same as similarly sized small mammals like mice, but due to their nightly torpor state where their heart rate is significantly lowered, they tend to live 20-25 years opposed to the 3-4 mice usually live.

Assuming this is true, I recommend everyone start running! If I am regularly running, my resting heart rate at night drops into the upper 30s. During the day sitting down, 45-50. If I haven't been running (for a week or longer) it picks back up in to the mid 40s at night, and around 60 for normal sitting.

Welp... guess I'll die young.

My heart rate when sleeping is 65bpm, and I can't focus on anuthing if my heart rate is below 90bpm during the day.

Re: 400-year-old Greenland shark ‘longest-living vertebrate’ (2016)

#24
post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Of the shark was by-catch it means that it had been caught by commercial fishing and had already died when the scientists examined it.

Yes, I'm pretty sure the parent was taking a jab at destructful industrial fishing and its methods, not scientists

I was.

Re: 400-year-old Greenland shark ‘longest-living vertebrate’ (2016)

#25
post #22

The Icelandic dish of hákarl (fermented shark) is often made using Greenland shark.

... which doesn't taste nearly as bad as you've heard and is produced in limited quantities only as result of the few bycatch sharks accidentally netted each year.

Indeed, I would say surströmming is actually more pungent, although it does lack the urine taste of hákarl.

Re: 400-year-old Greenland shark ‘longest-living vertebrate’ (2016)

#26
post #8
post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> confirmation bias .. Wouldn't that be more an example of the Baader Meinhof effect?

How do people develop their repertoire/knowledge of these “effects” and laws?

Let me share with you one of my favourite pages on Wikipedia: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cognitive_biases

Re: 400-year-old Greenland shark ‘longest-living vertebrate’ (2016)

#27
post #21
post #3

Confirmation bias is a creepy thing sometimes. I was literally asking my Google Home last night what the longest living vertebrate was and it told me the Greenland shark. Had a whole conversation about it over dinner, arguing about how accurate we think these age-establishing methods are. Though the more interesting part of our conversation (I would say) was wondering how ages work out in practice. For example why do…

By far the most important reason dictating lifespan is evolvability - the ability to adapt genetically [0]. This has so great effect that it's easy to observe even in a simple computer simulations. If you don't adapt and the environment is changing, then you go extinct. Think about this sharks and how much their environment has changed since they were born. As a spices they will have a very hard time adapting to the…

Thanks you, nice link. The opposite side of this is biological immortality. This wiki has a good discussion.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biological_immortality

Re: 400-year-old Greenland shark ‘longest-living vertebrate’ (2016)

#28
post #8
post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> confirmation bias .. Wouldn't that be more an example of the Baader Meinhof effect?

How do people develop their repertoire/knowledge of these “effects” and laws?

Not OP, but I pretty much only know two effects: Baader–Meinhof effect and Streisand effect. So I guess the answer for knowing this particular one is just that it is famous.

Re: 400-year-old Greenland shark ‘longest-living vertebrate’ (2016)

#29
post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

... which doesn't taste nearly as bad as you've heard and is produced in limited quantities only as result of the few bycatch sharks accidentally netted each year.

Indeed, I would say surströmming is actually more pungent, although it does lack the urine taste of hákarl.

surströmming smells much worse than it actually tastes... keep it outdoors and you'll live just fine.

Re: 400-year-old Greenland shark ‘longest-living vertebrate’ (2016)

#30

So... One individual out of 28 is known to be 400 years old. There is a subadult population bulge. Any way of estimating natural life spans from this? Could be some very, very old sharks out there. I wonder how big the 400yr old one is, relative to max known size.

the two other useful observations are that they seem not get bigger than 5m, and that they grow by 1cm per year.
Post reply on HN