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Good god am I fucking sick and tired of the 'they're a private platform' argument
What is a solution? Facebook is a private company, so they can do business as they please within the confines of applicable laws and regulations. Those laws and regulations say they can censor as they please on their platform. Should we enact laws forcing private platforms to give everyone a voice?
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Also, context matters. OMS avoided recommending masks at the start of the pandemic since no study showed the efficacy of it, and there was no mass production of masks yet. So recommending it for general population would only generate shortage of masks for those who needed (frontline medics and nurses treating the cases). So this is why they're so against it.
> and there was no mass production of masks yet But that’s not what they said. Fauci said “healthy people do not need to wear masks.” So he either lied then or is lying now. The reason for the lie is irrelevant. If healthy people should wear masks, the lack of production capability doesn’t change the fact. If masks work and Fauci knew they worked, then his statement that healthy people don’t need masks was scientific…
You’re actually missing the correct option which is that scientific consensus has shifted on this issue. Science is a process for the truth and conclusions can change with more evidence.
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#63Conventional wisdom in the US is that Maduro is a ruthless, violent dictator, who has suppressed opposition, smuggled drugs, funded terrorism, violated human rights, etc. But that doesn't get you kicked off Facebook. Facebook and Twitter happily provide platforms to violent, human rights abusing regimes. ...but recommend one snake oil cure for Covid-19, and suddenly the hammer drops, I guess? Interesting priorities.
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No. This is revisionist. This isn't Zuckerberg's doing. Up until recently Zuckerberg wanted as little moderation and censorship as possible. This mirrors the libertarian ethos of all the founders of modern tech companies. All of them (from Facebook, to Twitter, to Reddit, etc.) wanted to be just a platform for ideas. After Trump's election there became a concerted pressure campaign by woke culture, mainstream media a…
This argument might be more appealing if we hadn't just come through a pandemic that an unnamed group of people were more than happy to describe as a hoax. There's the myth of election theft if you needed a second example. There really is a lot of 'misinformation' (outright lying) on social media.
>This argument might be more appealing if we hadn't just come through a pandemic that an unnamed group of people were more than happy to describe as a hoax.
Yes. If you give people a platform they'll say all kinds of things, true, untrue, and, partly true.
Regarding COVID, what's interesting is social media companies decided that anything that goes against WHO guidelines is a hoax, even if you have credible epidemiologists having a discussion. WHO is staffed by very good people who are experts in their fields, but WHO is a human organization that is susceptible to political influence and regular human faults. For example, I don't fully trust any conclusion the WHO reaches when it comes to COVID and China. I just don't. I'm glad WHO exists and they do a lot of good work, but I don't want WHO dictating (directly or by proxy) which opinions I am allowed to hear.
The implicit argument you're also making is that if you just ban your political opponents promulgating views you think are false (and some many be false), those views will go away. That's not going to happen. All you did was increase mistrust and increase conspiracy thinking.
>There's the myth of election theft if you needed a second example.
By who exactly? Because up until this election, EVERY election that Democrats lost was because of election theft, through either Russian misinformation, or voter suppression, or gerrymandering, or voter id, or systemic racism or unicorns. EVERY.SINGLE.ONE. Trump's election was deemed as stolen by huge swaths of Democratic politicians (including Hillary) and voters.
Oh but those are credible 'election theft' allegations because they come from YOUR political side. It's the other side that gets everything wrong. Your allegations against 'election theft' shouldn't be suppressed, but theirs should. Right?
>There really is a lot of 'misinformation' (outright lying) on social media.
And you're afraid that your reasoning abilities are so feeble that you don't trust yourself to see this misinformation lest you be affected by it? And therefore you need a low-paid, 20-something, intern-censor to tell you what you should and shouldn't see.... You may be OK with that, but I'm not.
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#66I'd much prefer no censorship and let people decide for themselves. What we should be doing is trying to raise everyone's critical thinking game.
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#67Say you are successful tech Billionaire. Watching your other billionaire friend's hubris get the better of him, and decide to take up flying only to crash into the ground. You go through some phase of self reflection, and realize you won't live forever, and so decide you can make the world a better place. You consult some self help books, listen to some new age mysticism, and read some exciting woke ideas about gende…
This isn't leftism gone wrong - this is the allegory of the cave.
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#68Earlier quoted context omitted.
> and there was no mass production of masks yet But that’s not what they said. Fauci said “healthy people do not need to wear masks.” So he either lied then or is lying now. The reason for the lie is irrelevant. If healthy people should wear masks, the lack of production capability doesn’t change the fact. If masks work and Fauci knew they worked, then his statement that healthy people don’t need masks was scientific…
> That statement was either patently false, or it was true and his current statements are patently false. You’re actually missing the correct option which is that scientific consensus has shifted on this issue. Science is a process for the truth and conclusions can change with more evidence.
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#69A lot of this is starting to remind me of the way Galileo and Darwin were treated for announcing their breakthroughs. I know nothing about this drug Maduro is touting, but I can't help worrying that one of these days somebody is going to find an actual cure and the world will never know about it because big social media companies exile them for wrongthink.
In a sense, we already had some taste of tech-powers-that-are blocking information that ended up being true ( Biden's Hunter drug issues ). edit: I am going to add some sources, since I am not certain why the downvoting is taking place on this particular comment. Not sure how the statement is controversial. [Biden himself admits issues with drugs] https://www.businessinsider.com/hunter-biden-opens-about-add... [Same…
If the issue had gotten full press coverage if might have flipped some states.
It’s also a reminder that tech companies can now decide elections. Angry denial is easier then rational thought.
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#70Say you are successful tech Billionaire. Watching your other billionaire friend's hubris get the better of him, and decide to take up flying only to crash into the ground. You go through some phase of self reflection, and realize you won't live forever, and so decide you can make the world a better place. You consult some self help books, listen to some new age mysticism, and read some exciting woke ideas about gende…
You say this all as a joke or as a way to impress upon people the risks of wokism - but every type of justification for someone having more power over another comes down to someone claiming that their form of running the state is better than others - and that uneducated idiots shouldn't hold power. This isn't leftism gone wrong - this is the allegory of the cave.