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Re: Louvre makes its entire collection available online

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I'm puzzled by this statement on the Mona Lisa entry [1]: "Artwork recovered after World War II, retrieved by the Office des Biens et Intérêts Privés; to be returned to its rightful owner once they have been identified. Online records of all MNR (‘National Museums Recovery’) works can be found on the French Ministry of Culture’s Rose Valland database."

Does anybody know how World War II affected ownership in this case, considering by the time Louis XIV [edited, thanks julienchastang] died (1715) the painting was already in the Palace of Versailles? [2]

[1] https://collections.louvre.fr/en/ark:/53355/cl010066723

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mona_Lisa

Re: Louvre makes its entire collection available online

#103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's a basic problem with that argument. There is no telling whether you're actually buying an NFT from Jack himself. In fact the NFT world already seems to have a fake and forgery issue of people who claim to have rights or be authors of creations they aren't even affiliated with.[1] Crypto just shifts the goalpost of what's being faked. Which is why the Beeple NFT sale didn't happen somewhere in the nether of th…

> There is no telling whether you're actually buying an NFT from Jack himself It's fairly easy to verify the origins of statements here, especially since Jack is on Twitter announcing his NFT on his timeline. What more than that do you need? Same as you verify any celebrities selling movie props on ebay or whatever, if they haven't announced the sale via some other channel where they are already verified, don't trust…

> It's fairly easy to verify the origins of statements here, especially since Jack is on Twitter announcing his NFT on his timeline. What more than that do you need?

Now you rely on a tweet being durable. The entire blockchain history is based on something not on the blockchain that can be edited by people with root at Twitter.

Re: Louvre makes its entire collection available online

#105

Why don't these photos to have color calibration targets? https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/163309-REG/Kodak_1907... And maybe some meta data about the camera and settings. I don't recall any online collections using targets. Surely these curation and archivist domain experts record this stuff. I've casually asked a few times, but no leads. -- My partner likes to create master copies. Portrait, still life. I've…

if you look at the terms and conditions for downloading, as with most museums, it's clear that they want to still sell prints and "licensing" images of any art they own

they definitely have color-calibrated images, but not for the public

edit: for those unaware, in the US, reproductions/photos of public domain 2D art are themselves public domain and not subject to copyright

Re: Louvre makes its entire collection available online

#106
This is a tangential point, but I've recently noticed that I discover a lot of art through wikipedia. Many pages that deal with abstract concepts are illustrated with wonderful and varied selections of art, e.g.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Justice https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Love

Re: Louvre makes its entire collection available online

#107

Why don't these photos to have color calibration targets? https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/163309-REG/Kodak_1907... And maybe some meta data about the camera and settings. I don't recall any online collections using targets. Surely these curation and archivist domain experts record this stuff. I've casually asked a few times, but no leads. -- My partner likes to create master copies. Portrait, still life. I've…

if you look at the terms and conditions for downloading, as with most museums, it's clear that they want to still sell prints and "licensing" images of any art they own they definitely have color-calibrated images, but not for the public edit: for those unaware, in the US, reproductions/photos of public domain 2D art are themselves public domain and not subject to copyright

We've definitely ordered prints directly. At best, they've been IKEA poster quality. Might as well just use Kinkos.

There's a modest niche opportunity for a high end print shop to just handle it. White label the service so museums can reskin, rebrand, integrate.

I pitched the notion to the two local shops I use (high end, preferred by artists). Build relations with some museums, create a simple e-commerce site. No interest. I get it; Print is a dying industry and the old farts are just holding on until retirement.

I'm happy to pay real money for real prints. I hate fussing with this stuff and being responsible for the results. While I wrote software for print production manufacturing, I never touched the color calibration stuff. I'm just not temperamentally suited for that kind of work.

FWIW, the best source of true color images, for doing master copies, have been art coffee books from the 80s and 90s. When the print industry was basically printing money, some publishers took quality seriously.

Re: Louvre makes its entire collection available online

#108

I'm puzzled by this statement on the Mona Lisa entry [1]: "Artwork recovered after World War II, retrieved by the Office des Biens et Intérêts Privés; to be returned to its rightful owner once they have been identified. Online records of all MNR (‘National Museums Recovery’) works can be found on the French Ministry of Culture’s Rose Valland database." Does anybody know how World War II affected ownership in this cas…

It's because that one is a copy of the original (still old, but ~100 years posterior to Da Vinci's).

According to https://www.pop.culture.gouv.fr/notice/mnr/MNR00265 its last known owner was Friedrich Welz, an Austrian gallery owner, so the work must have come to Paris postwar to figure out whether it needed to be restituted to a previous owner.

The original Joconde is https://collections.louvre.fr/en/ark:/53355/cl010062370

Re: Louvre makes its entire collection available online

#109
post #106

This is a tangential point, but I've recently noticed that I discover a lot of art through wikipedia. Many pages that deal with abstract concepts are illustrated with wonderful and varied selections of art, e.g. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Justice https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Love

That is indeed beautiful but also a sad reminder that current copyright systems have frozen this situation in time - we can only ever use antique art freely in this way, and all recent art is locked behind pseudo-immortal copyright terms.

Re: Louvre makes its entire collection available online

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post #100

Why don't these photos to have color calibration targets? https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/163309-REG/Kodak_1907... And maybe some meta data about the camera and settings. I don't recall any online collections using targets. Surely these curation and archivist domain experts record this stuff. I've casually asked a few times, but no leads. -- My partner likes to create master copies. Portrait, still life. I've…

You can request color calibrated TIFFs from the Rijksmuseum collection: https://www.rijksmuseum.nl/en/research/image-requests

> FOR PROFESSIONAL USE

You can also request free high-res TIFF files with colour reference for professional use. To order TIFF files, please fill in the form below.

Nice. Hopefully this becomes the norm.

Just one anecdote: During a VIP tour of a museum, eg browsing the warehouse of stuff not on display, I asked about digital archiving. Blank looks. I'm guessing it's just not part of the curriculum for minting new archivists, curators, historians. I hope I'm wrong. Surely the younger cohorts know this stuff...?

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