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> Isn't that the website owners right though? No. The internet is public. Publishers shouldn't get any say in who accesses their content or how they do it. As far as I'm concerned, the fact that they do is a bug.
No, it's not. I can setup a login page and keep you out if I want. And I can do it however I want.
Only Google is really allowed to crawl the web
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Is it legal for a government entity to issue a robots.txt like that? Maybe the line between use and abuse hasn't been delinated as well as it needs to be.
Is failure to honor a robots.txt a crime? Or rather, would it be unlawful to spoof a user agent to access this publicly available data? After the linkedin [0] case it seems reasonable to think not. [0]: https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2019/09/victory-ruling-hiq-v-l...
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#343The bigger problem, to me, is not around crawling. It's the asymmetrical power Google has after crawling. Google is obviously on a mission to keep people on Google owned properties. So, they take what they crawl and find a way to present that to the end user without anyone needing to visit the place that data came from. Airlines are a good example. If you search for flight status for a particular flight, Google prese…
What product is that?
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Be careful when using Google Flight, last time I checked they use significantly less margins between flights so it’s shorter trips but much riskier.
You can screwed any time you book a connecting flight on two different airlines even if the times aren't tight. For instance if one is cancelled. If you use the same airline they will make sure you get to the destination.
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It's not Cloudflare who is deciding it. It's the website owners who request things like "Super Bot Fight Mode". I never enable such things on my CF properties. Mostly it's people who manage websites with "valuable" content, e.g. shops with prices who desperately want to stop scraping by competitors.
I can say this will give a lot of businesses false sense of security. It is already bypassable. the Web scraping technology that I am aware of has reached end game already: Unless you are prepared to authenticate every user/visitor to your website with a dollar sign, lobby congress to pass a bill to outlaw web scraping, you will not be able to stop web scraping in 2021 and beyond.
Due to aggressive no-script and uBlock use I, browsing the website as a human, keep getting hit by captchas and my success rate is falling to a coinflip. If there's a script to automate that I'm all ears.
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Internet was certainly not intended for centralization. I hit Cloudflare captchas and error pages so often it's almost sickening. So many things are behind Cloudflare, things you least expect to be behind Cloudflare.
It's easy enough to bypass most Cloudflare “anti-bot” with an unusual refresh pattern or messing with a cookie. (It's easier to script this than solve the CAPTCHAs.)
Re: Only Google is really allowed to crawl the web
#347What percentage of the top million webpages allow Googlebot? What percentage allow other robots?
Why not simply pretend to be Googlebot? After all, browsers pretend to be Mozilla...
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I usually recommend setting only Google/Bing/Yandex/Baidu etc to Allow and everything else to Disallow. Yes, the bad bots don't give a fuck, but even the non-malicious bots (ahrefs, moz, some university's search engine etc) don't bring any value to me as a site owner, take up band width and resources and fill up logs. If you can remove them with three lines in your robots.txt, that's less noise. Especially universiti…
> they're hammering your server Why can't you just ratelimit IPs that are "too active" for your server to handle?
Re: Only Google is really allowed to crawl the web
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Broadly speaking, robots.txt files are often ignored. I used to run a fairly large job ad scraping organization, and we would be hired by companies (700 of the fortune 1000 used us) to scrape the job ads from their career pages, and then post those jobs on job boards. 99 of 100 times, the robots file would disallow us to scrape. Since we were being paid by that company's HR team to scrape, we just ignored it because…
> Broadly speaking, robots.txt files are often ignored. If you wanna go nuclear on people who do that, include an invisible link in your html and forbid access to that URL in your robots.txt, then block every IP who accesses that URL for X amount of time. Don't do this if you actually rely on search engine traffic though. Google may get pissed and send you lots of angry mail like "There's a problem with your site".