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Equivalent of 97% of Scotland’s 2020 electricity consumption was from renewables

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As long as the powersource isn't reliable it's a problem. A problem that doesn't have any solutions in sight that are closer than something like fusion which would be the preferable solution rather than unreliables like wind and solar.

> "something like fusion which would be the preferable solution" The preferable solutions are ones that actually exist.

Hey, (human) fusion is currently 100% reliable in its power output, with a track record extending back to the beginning of time. Can wind compete with that? I think not!

Re: Equivalent of 97% of Scotland’s 2020 electricity consumption was from renewables

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This was a joke about the UK not getting a good brexit deal and instead trying to get a deal like Canada, and therefore not being able to sell its excess electricity to somewhere closer, like the EU.

Exactly. The "super canada" concept. Anyone who thinks Canada is in any way comparable to Europe as a UK trading partner doesn't know much about geography. Maybe if Britain hadn't had a hissy fit they could now be selling that extra power across the channel.

The UK is selling extra power across the channel. There's currently 5.5 GW of interconnect with the EU, with almost 18 GW expected by 2023. Brexit isn't going to change that.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-hampshire-55750411

Re: Equivalent of 97% of Scotland’s 2020 electricity consumption was from renewables

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>> Once this comes online, wind generation will often be over 100% of demand UK wide Which is exactly what I would expect from island nations. The UK has lots of coast, which means lots of wind. That is a resource to export. The cornerstone of free trade is that some things are worth more in some places and less in others. UK has lots of wind. Maybe they can trade that for imports of luxury goods from elsewhere. If o…

Yes, the point with selling electricity is that you need to guarantee that you will deliver some fixed amount of electricity. If you depend on wind power plants how this guarantee can be given? What if wind stops. Maybe it would make sense to build huge bitcoin mining data centers and mine bitcoins in case of surplus. Hardly useful, but given current coins rush could be profitable. Better than paying producers for no…

> the point with selling electricity is that you need to guarantee that you will deliver some fixed amount of electricity.

No you don't. Electricity is sold at spot prices in real time. At that is how I and most people in Norway buy theirs.

It should be possible to reduce the likelihood of prices going negative by continuing to improve the interconnectedness of the various national grids in Europe.

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It would be cool if i could use an electric car parked at home during the day to store some of that cheap electricity then spend it from the car back into the house at night. When i looked into this last, it wasn’t common to have that bi-directional power flow capability. There was one, very expensive, Mitsubishi solution on the UK market around 2 years ago.

Nissan were looking into V2H for years but not sure what happened with it. I was registered for a pilot at one point with a third party but never got invited to participate and have since forgotten who the company is. EDIT: Looks like these can now be purchased and imported from China by end users: https://www.setec-power.com/product/vehicle-to-home-v2h-6kw/

> "Nissan were looking into V2H for years but not sure what happened with it."

In the UK, there are a few companies offering V2G packages for the Nissan Leaf. For example, Octopus Powerloop (available in London and parts of South East England):

https://www.octopusev.com/powerloop

Re: Equivalent of 97% of Scotland’s 2020 electricity consumption was from renewables

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Really misleading article IMO. What this actually means is Scotland sometimes generated 200-300%+ of its demand from wind (and "exported" the rest), and sometimes low %age points and used other sources/imports. It makes it sound like Scotland is wind powered 97% of the time (only 3% more to go!), which is very different. There is an increasing crisis in the UK of negative electricity prices (typically when it is sunn…

It not only misleading, it is intentionally mixing of fungeable and non-fungeable goods in order to turn something obvious dirty as being clean. If Scotland exports of wool exceeded the amount of imported cotton, then we can pretend that the cotton import never existed. Cotton and wool is pretty interchangeable as textile fibers. This then allow us to purchase cotton that is produce by child labor, because the cotton…

So the producer of the pollution gets off scot free? Or are you going to count the pollution twice?

Re: Equivalent of 97% of Scotland’s 2020 electricity consumption was from renewables

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Storage heaters, more efficient refrigerators, smart washers that turn on when electricity is cheap. I really hope these kinds of things start to increase in popularity, but I think it needs more government intervention for it to happen.

The only really critically necessary government intervention is making sure the grid can handle this. It would probably help if they mandated smart electric storage heaters on new builds but beyond that I'm not sure you need to do much more. You can rely on people's self interest to buy a new washing machine that saves them money, for instance.

Demand shaping generally reduces the peak demand so the grid can usually handle much more power on average than before.

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"Not only do renewables reduce the impact of our electricity use on the climate, they are also generating jobs and income for communities around the country." I wish everyone thought that way, all I hear in Canada is "oh the jobs, oh the jobs, what will happen to the jobs...???"

Because Canada has a massive Oil sector, Scotland doesn't so much - and with a tinge of hypocrisy they want a bigger share of the revenue proceeds from North Sea Oil. Canada's economic influence in the world is fairly strongly tied to Oil to the point where over the last 30 years it's correlated with the buying power of the dollar, and certainly the economic veracity of most Alberta. It also fundamentally alters the…

> Environmental issues aside, there is a lot of downside - it's not just like all that industry can be shifted from one part of the economy to the other.

Yep. But the planning for it has to be done, because this change is visible on the horizon. If it isn't planned for, the shift will be forced, happen rapidly, and most of the ill effects will hit those least able to handle them. (I mean, it probably won't be, or at least not even close to the level it needs to be, and only thing most people can do is vote...)

I'm from the north of England, and the economy of the region has, as long as I've been alive, been depressed. Heavy manufacturing leaving the area (leaving the UK...): that's a major cause. But coal mining used to be central -- it was dying for a long time but it was really put to the sword in the 1980s. It was inevitable that it had to happen, just as I think this is, but the way it happened devastated the region -- and that's translated into several decades of damage, and has had hugely detrimental effects, particularly social. The idea was that retraining would happen, the economy would be shifted, but they were mostly empty promises (why do people of a certain age hate Thatcher with every iota of their beings? Well...).

Most of my family are from or live in the north of Scotland, and it's gone from the majority of them being employed in oil industry or oil industry-adjacent jobs to...not in the last 10-15 years. It's biting hard there (though there are jobs in renewables: not enough, but much better than situation was in NE England)

Re: Equivalent of 97% of Scotland’s 2020 electricity consumption was from renewables

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Sadly these 'negative' prices aren't available to regular people. Only a select few who can trade on the spot market can use them. If regular people could get paid to switch on space heaters, the negative prices would soon go away.

Here in Texas a lot of people could get access to spot prices and it didn't work out as well as they'd hoped.

And a lot of Texas power utilities charged fixed rates but had to buy at spot prices. It didn’t work as well as they’d hoped, especially if they didn’t have generation capacity themselves.

Re: Equivalent of 97% of Scotland’s 2020 electricity consumption was from renewables

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Really misleading article IMO. What this actually means is Scotland sometimes generated 200-300%+ of its demand from wind (and "exported" the rest), and sometimes low %age points and used other sources/imports. It makes it sound like Scotland is wind powered 97% of the time (only 3% more to go!), which is very different. There is an increasing crisis in the UK of negative electricity prices (typically when it is sunn…

Negative electricity prices are not a crisis but a great business opportunity. There is a lot of money to be made from free energy, or even better energy that someone is paying you to take. There are, for example aluminum plants, whose major cost is electricity. There is steel, which can be made by electric arc furnaces (this is not the only way to make steel, but it certainly the more environmentally friendly). Ther…

Sure, power cars (any car with a 300 mile range is likely on average to use 300 miles per day). Make ice (in the summer) to help with off peak cooling, pump water uphill above any hydro plant. Even pull carbon out of the air and sell carbon credits and then sell the fuel you make as a result.
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