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Equivalent of 97% of Scotland’s 2020 electricity consumption was from renewables

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Re: Equivalent of 97% of Scotland’s 2020 electricity consumption was from renewables

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Really misleading article IMO.

What this actually means is Scotland sometimes generated 200-300%+ of its demand from wind (and "exported" the rest), and sometimes low %age points and used other sources/imports. It makes it sound like Scotland is wind powered 97% of the time (only 3% more to go!), which is very different.

There is an increasing crisis in the UK of negative electricity prices (typically when it is sunny, windy and lower demand in the summer). Last year had more time than ever in negative, and the UK has another 10-20GW of commited offshore wind in construction.

Once this comes online, wind generation will often be over 100% of demand UK wide (right now it peaks over 50% regularly). There is approx 5GW of HVDC (with 1-2/GW a year more planned over the next while), but it won't be enough to export all of it outside the UK (and when it is windy here, it is likely to also be there, so they won't want it either).

This is going to end up with very negative prices for a lot of the time. Considering ~15% of UK supply is made up with nuclear, this is a real problem. You can't stop start nuclear like you can with gas.

So we are going to have to pay massive sums of money to wind producers to shut off production. And we are still going need masses of gas backup which is going to be used increasingly inefficiently to pick up the slack.

This may spur innovation in storage, but we are talking enormous quantities required in a very short period of time.

Re: Equivalent of 97% of Scotland’s 2020 electricity consumption was from renewables

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This is good news but I wonder if reduction in demand due to Covid is the biggest factor in this: In 2020, average daily demand is 24% lower after lockdown than before.

Also Scotland exported 20.4 TWh (and imported 1.1TWh) of electricity was this renewable? or was the 'dirty' power being exported.

Re: Equivalent of 97% of Scotland’s 2020 electricity consumption was from renewables

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Really misleading article IMO. What this actually means is Scotland sometimes generated 200-300%+ of its demand from wind (and "exported" the rest), and sometimes low %age points and used other sources/imports. It makes it sound like Scotland is wind powered 97% of the time (only 3% more to go!), which is very different. There is an increasing crisis in the UK of negative electricity prices (typically when it is sunn…

spot on. Every time this comes up, it's the same BS.

The actual figure for the UK grid (there is no separate Scotland grid) is just over 40% of net electrical energy demand supplied by renewable sources. If Scotland was severed from the grid it would require fossil fuels and nuclear just like the rest of the UK.

The 97% figure is arrived at by taking British renewable energy that happens to be in Scotland and subtracting that against Scottish energy use. This is in no way accurate and ignores time - there are many periods of time where Scotland's wind turbines aren't spinning and the region is drawing power from the rest of the UK grid.

Re: Equivalent of 97% of Scotland’s 2020 electricity consumption was from renewables

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post #5

"Not only do renewables reduce the impact of our electricity use on the climate, they are also generating jobs and income for communities around the country." I wish everyone thought that way, all I hear in Canada is "oh the jobs, oh the jobs, what will happen to the jobs...???"

Because Canada has a massive Oil sector, Scotland doesn't so much - and with a tinge of hypocrisy they want a bigger share of the revenue proceeds from North Sea Oil.

Canada's economic influence in the world is fairly strongly tied to Oil to the point where over the last 30 years it's correlated with the buying power of the dollar, and certainly the economic veracity of most Alberta.

It also fundamentally alters the surplus/deficit scenario - it's a 'major component' (though not nearly like Norway).

iPhones and many foreign cars in Canada are about 25% more expensive than they were a few years ago for example.

Environmental issues aside, there is a lot of downside - it's not just like all that industry can be shifted from one part of the economy to the other.

Re: Equivalent of 97% of Scotland’s 2020 electricity consumption was from renewables

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Really misleading article IMO. What this actually means is Scotland sometimes generated 200-300%+ of its demand from wind (and "exported" the rest), and sometimes low %age points and used other sources/imports. It makes it sound like Scotland is wind powered 97% of the time (only 3% more to go!), which is very different. There is an increasing crisis in the UK of negative electricity prices (typically when it is sunn…

I think the solution is keep building those continental grid connections. Norway can with its substantial hydro work as a battery, for example.

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2018/aug/18/brexit-loom...

Re: Equivalent of 97% of Scotland’s 2020 electricity consumption was from renewables

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post #5

"Not only do renewables reduce the impact of our electricity use on the climate, they are also generating jobs and income for communities around the country." I wish everyone thought that way, all I hear in Canada is "oh the jobs, oh the jobs, what will happen to the jobs...???"

> all I hear in Canada is "oh the job, oh the job, what will happen to the jobs...???" That's your corporate control of mainstream media, I would think. And not only is there lots of work in renewable energy, but we've just gone through a year in which many large economies simply "bankrolled" a large unemployed fraction of the population, and the sky didn't fall: Prices didn't shoot up, no runs on banks, nothing like…

The only mainstream media I consume is occasionally CBC. The sentiment I hear is from high school friends in Northwestern Ontario and folks I know out in Alberta and BC. In my personal opinion, we already have lots of crown corps in Canada, using them to put solar farms in Nunavut and offshore wind generation on the East and West coasts are just fine by me, faster we transition that way the better as far as I'm concerned.

Re: Equivalent of 97% of Scotland’s 2020 electricity consumption was from renewables

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Really misleading article IMO. What this actually means is Scotland sometimes generated 200-300%+ of its demand from wind (and "exported" the rest), and sometimes low %age points and used other sources/imports. It makes it sound like Scotland is wind powered 97% of the time (only 3% more to go!), which is very different. There is an increasing crisis in the UK of negative electricity prices (typically when it is sunn…

Grid storage is such an interesting topic to me. We are all used to energy storage at a small scale (phone batteries, even electric cars) but the challenges of needing to store such vast amounts of energy seems like an almost impossible task, even the large Tesla battery in AU only seems to be used to help smooth the grid supply. It seems that the Scottish landscape might lend itself to more Hydro but that'll be an uphill fight with locales/environmentalists.

Sometimes I wonder if it would make more sense for individual properties to have their own powerwall type devices to soak up the oversupply during those windy days but in reality the cost of getting one installed is so high that I can't imagine enough people ever doing it, let alone the organization and co-ordination that would be needed from the energy companies.

Re: Equivalent of 97% of Scotland’s 2020 electricity consumption was from renewables

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Really misleading article IMO. What this actually means is Scotland sometimes generated 200-300%+ of its demand from wind (and "exported" the rest), and sometimes low %age points and used other sources/imports. It makes it sound like Scotland is wind powered 97% of the time (only 3% more to go!), which is very different. There is an increasing crisis in the UK of negative electricity prices (typically when it is sunn…

>> Once this comes online, wind generation will often be over 100% of demand UK wide

Which is exactly what I would expect from island nations. The UK has lots of coast, which means lots of wind. That is a resource to export. The cornerstone of free trade is that some things are worth more in some places and less in others. UK has lots of wind. Maybe they can trade that for imports of luxury goods from elsewhere. If only there was a ready trading partner nearby. Maybe Canada needs power.

Re: Equivalent of 97% of Scotland’s 2020 electricity consumption was from renewables

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Really misleading article IMO. What this actually means is Scotland sometimes generated 200-300%+ of its demand from wind (and "exported" the rest), and sometimes low %age points and used other sources/imports. It makes it sound like Scotland is wind powered 97% of the time (only 3% more to go!), which is very different. There is an increasing crisis in the UK of negative electricity prices (typically when it is sunn…

Grid storage is such an interesting topic to me. We are all used to energy storage at a small scale (phone batteries, even electric cars) but the challenges of needing to store such vast amounts of energy seems like an almost impossible task, even the large Tesla battery in AU only seems to be used to help smooth the grid supply. It seems that the Scottish landscape might lend itself to more Hydro but that'll be an u…

Electric cars are perfect for this. Connect them to the grid and the internet, and they’ll charge but also feed back as needed.
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