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Re: Is that ship still stuck?

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Post by ethbr0 »

anderspitman wrote: post #577
lmilcin wrote: post #568

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are 20 thousand containers on that ship. No, that's not a mistake. It says it can carry 20 thousand and I assume it travels at capacity. Even if you could somehow launch one every minute that would still take 2 weeks of non-stop bombardment. Fascinating how much stuff you can put on a ship and the scale of loading/unloading operation.

Huh, a case where using kubernetes is actually justified.

Also like kubernetes, here's a picture of 20,000 zombie containers, getting no work done.

Re: Is that ship still stuck?

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Post by Zhenya »

rektide wrote: post #628
stickfigure wrote: post #615

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I know that is a joke but if you wanted to generate enough force to push the ship off the bank, a rocket is one of the few technologies that would do the trick. I wouldn't want to stand downwind, though.

you are thinking 1.0 scale. you need to start thinking starlink scale enterprising. quantity not quality. one rocket would rip the ship into pieces. what's actually needed is a long 2d matrix of rockets, distributed broadly the across EVER GIVEN, pushing the bow in, the stern out & back. out like she came.

Except that the side of the ship isn't load bearing. Not sure how'd that work out.

Re: Is that ship still stuck?

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Post by antidamage »

blhack wrote: post #39

I don't think people are giving enough credit to how stuck the ship is. Look at some of the photos of the front of it. Look at how far out of the water it is sitting. The ship might look like that if it were totally empty, but not when it is full of containers like this. Some people saying: just drag it off of the sand. Okay! And what happens when that causes you to rip a hole into the hull of the ship? Now it's real…

Helicopters are a thing.

And yeah, even completely empty with no fuel or ballast you will never see the bow out of the water like that. However it is more than capable of surviving being dragged along sand. It's just that they have nothing strong enough to drag it with.

Eventually someone will stake some anchors into the ground and use an industrial winch, but that's where hull design starts to suck - there's no good anchor points by which to pull it, so there'll need to be a large number of straps cradling the hull that are being pulled.

Re: Is that ship still stuck?

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Post by jugg1es »

hunter2_ wrote: post #601
samizdis wrote: post #260

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> Some people have suggested unloading the ship. I don't think you realize the infrastructure required to unload a ship. It seems, though, that a partial unloading is being considered by a professional in the field according to quotes in an article in The Guardian [1]: However, Peter Berdowski, CEO of Boskalis, a specialist dredging company that has sent a crew to the scene, said data so far suggested “it is not real…

Perhaps the classic beached whale clearing technique [0] would work. [0] https://youtu.be/V6CLumsir34

holy crap amazing. Why doesn't news editorialize like this anymore like this reporter did at the end? Simple, obvious, and stated fairly. You don't always need to talk to the guy who thought the whale hailstorm was still a good idea.

Re: Is that ship still stuck?

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Post by bzbarsky »

Aeolun wrote: post #455
divbzero wrote: post #436

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Strap it to a Falcon Heavy.

How many falcon heavies would we need to lift 200,000 metric tons?

To be clear, 200,000 tons is the weight of the cargo+fuel this ship carries, not counting the structure of the ship itself. I haven't found a good number for the displacement (the total weight, including the ship), and would be curious to know what it is.

Re: Is that ship still stuck?

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Post by dahfizz »

dheera wrote: post #644
lhorie wrote: post #616

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This is a really good example of how terrible people are at judging scale. Some numbers getting thrown around downthread say there's something to the tune of 10,000 40ft containers. To give a bit of a sense of perspective, that's like trying to clear out some 200 football fields worth of semi-trucks, except they are stacked, packed full of stuff, and have no gas or wheels. And all of them are perched atop a ship that…

What if they retrofitted the propeller as a winch and connected a steel cable?

Just dragging the ship across the sand risks damaging the hull and making the situation worse

Re: Is that ship still stuck?

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Post by cm2012 »

lhorie wrote: post #616
blhack wrote: post #39

I don't think people are giving enough credit to how stuck the ship is. Look at some of the photos of the front of it. Look at how far out of the water it is sitting. The ship might look like that if it were totally empty, but not when it is full of containers like this. Some people saying: just drag it off of the sand. Okay! And what happens when that causes you to rip a hole into the hull of the ship? Now it's real…

This is a really good example of how terrible people are at judging scale. Some numbers getting thrown around downthread say there's something to the tune of 10,000 40ft containers. To give a bit of a sense of perspective, that's like trying to clear out some 200 football fields worth of semi-trucks, except they are stacked, packed full of stuff, and have no gas or wheels. And all of them are perched atop a ship that…

Another reference is that the ship is as long as the empire state building is tall.

Re: Is that ship still stuck?

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Post by person_of_color »

jacob2484 wrote: post #456

Quite the arrogance here of mostly software devs trying to out -solutionize marine/shipping experts who undoubtedly have been consulted and are already looking for the quickest way to resolve the situation. With billions of dollars in stake, I'm sure even the most expensive experts are involved.

Kind of like geohot fixing covid

Re: Is that ship still stuck?

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Post by lhorie »

dheera wrote: post #644
lhorie wrote: post #616

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is a really good example of how terrible people are at judging scale. Some numbers getting thrown around downthread say there's something to the tune of 10,000 40ft containers. To give a bit of a sense of perspective, that's like trying to clear out some 200 football fields worth of semi-trucks, except they are stacked, packed full of stuff, and have no gas or wheels. And all of them are perched atop a ship that…

What if they retrofitted the propeller as a winch and connected a steel cable?

That's going to either snap the cable or damage the propeller. Probably both.
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