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Re: Is that ship still stuck?

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Post by throwaway41597 »

Zenst wrote: post #272
blhack wrote: post #39

I don't think people are giving enough credit to how stuck the ship is. Look at some of the photos of the front of it. Look at how far out of the water it is sitting. The ship might look like that if it were totally empty, but not when it is full of containers like this. Some people saying: just drag it off of the sand. Okay! And what happens when that causes you to rip a hole into the hull of the ship? Now it's real…

> It's really stuck. It's probably going to take a couple of weeks to get it unstuck. My armchair engineering would dump a load of salt into the water to increase buoyancy of the ship long enough for the tugs to get some momentum with less effort than currently. That would be my cheap try solution to help the tugs that have already hit there limit so why not change the physics and add a load of salt.

wouldn't too much salt damage the ship/make it rust?

Re: Is that ship still stuck?

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Post by billfruit »

blhack wrote: post #39

I don't think people are giving enough credit to how stuck the ship is. Look at some of the photos of the front of it. Look at how far out of the water it is sitting. The ship might look like that if it were totally empty, but not when it is full of containers like this. Some people saying: just drag it off of the sand. Okay! And what happens when that causes you to rip a hole into the hull of the ship? Now it's real…

I'm not familiar with shipping, but I would guess there are some type of crane ships which could be dispatched along with barges to slowly offload some of the container. Obviously it is going to take some time mustering all these specialized craft and specialists on location.

What's with the many joucular/tounge-in-cheek posts on this thread..

Re: Is that ship still stuck?

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Post by hellbannedguy »

adflux wrote: post #155
blhack wrote: post #39

I don't think people are giving enough credit to how stuck the ship is. Look at some of the photos of the front of it. Look at how far out of the water it is sitting. The ship might look like that if it were totally empty, but not when it is full of containers like this. Some people saying: just drag it off of the sand. Okay! And what happens when that causes you to rip a hole into the hull of the ship? Now it's real…

Love the armchair engineers who think they're gonna solve this better than billion dollar companies

Billion dollar companies are filled with people. Nothing special about billion dollar companies except money. I wish money equated to great ideas.

Re: Is that ship still stuck?

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Post by tyingq »

lmilcin wrote: post #568
thereisnospork wrote: post #543

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Some people have suggested unloading the ship. I don't think you realize the infrastructure required to unload a ship. You're basically asking to build a port in the middle of the egyptian desert. That isn't going to happen. I say build a trebuchet on deck and start launching containers into the desert.

There are 20 thousand containers on that ship. No, that's not a mistake. It says it can carry 20 thousand and I assume it travels at capacity. Even if you could somehow launch one every minute that would still take 2 weeks of non-stop bombardment. Fascinating how much stuff you can put on a ship and the scale of loading/unloading operation.

It has a max capacity of 20 thousand TEU, which is "20 foot equivalents". Most of the containers on the ship appear to be 40 foot ones. So 10,000 is probably closer to the total number.

Edit: It may also not be "full". Here's a top/bottom picture with the most "full" I could find on the top, and the current situation on the bottom. https://imgur.com/a/b8neNkR

Edit: So maybe 6000 40 foot containers, current state?

Re: Is that ship still stuck?

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Post by lmilcin »

tyingq wrote: post #594
lmilcin wrote: post #568

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are 20 thousand containers on that ship. No, that's not a mistake. It says it can carry 20 thousand and I assume it travels at capacity. Even if you could somehow launch one every minute that would still take 2 weeks of non-stop bombardment. Fascinating how much stuff you can put on a ship and the scale of loading/unloading operation.

It has a max capacity of 20 thousand TEU, which is "20 foot equivalents". Most of the containers on the ship appear to be 40 foot ones. So 10,000 is probably closer to the total number. Edit: It may also not be "full". Here's a top/bottom picture with the most "full" I could find on the top, and the current situation on the bottom. https://imgur.com/a/b8neNkR Edit: So maybe 6000 40 foot containers, current state?

Thanks for the correction.

Then a week of bombardment. Still impressive.

Re: Is that ship still stuck?

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Post by colinmhayes »

nicbou wrote: post #386
eCa wrote: post #165

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If I understand [1] properly, the Chinook can lift 13 tons[2]. The Evergiven's maximum weight is 200000 tons. So that would be 15000+ Chinooks lifting it. A sight to behold. Added: Only about 1200 were ever produced, so that won't fly. [1] https://www.army.mil/article/137584/ch_47_chinook_helicopter [2] 26000 pounds

Okay but what about rockets?

Someone call Elon!

Re: Is that ship still stuck?

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Post by anigbrowl »

Denvercoder9 wrote: post #180
anigbrowl wrote: post #118

Needs a counter for ongoing cost. An experienced military logistics person I know estimated yesterday that the bill for this is up to about $40 billion already.

That might be the total value of impacted shipping, but nobody is going to get a $40 billion bill for this.

There will not be a single bill of that size, and directly insured costs are likely to top out at a 1-200 million. But the knock-on shipping delays are likely not insured and will weigh heavily on the charter sector (who rent space on the ships by the day): https://lloydslist.maritimeintelligence.informa.com/LL113625...

An interesting stat there is that on the Ever Given alone there are ~20,000 boxes (cargo containers) with an average 20 shipments (from different people) in each. So that's ~400,000 commercial deliveries held up on one ship alone.

Re: Is that ship still stuck?

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Post by justbrowsing_ »

bamboozled wrote: post #560
thereisnospork wrote: post #543

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Some people have suggested unloading the ship. I don't think you realize the infrastructure required to unload a ship. You're basically asking to build a port in the middle of the egyptian desert. That isn't going to happen. I say build a trebuchet on deck and start launching containers into the desert.

Would it not be easier to use Chinooks to remove cargo ?

Last time I heard that was the Maemo OS codename before Diablo

Re: Is that ship still stuck?

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Post by anigbrowl »

divbzero wrote: post #561
anigbrowl wrote: post #118

Needs a counter for ongoing cost. An experienced military logistics person I know estimated yesterday that the bill for this is up to about $40 billion already.

Could anyone end up being liable for this? For example, could delayed ships sue canal operators who in turn sue the owners of Ever Given? Alternatively, would an event like this be covered by any insurance policies?

Don't know about liability but per my sibling comment, only about 10% of shipments are covered for delays.
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