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Re: Is that ship still stuck?

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Quite the arrogance here of mostly software devs trying to out -solutionize marine/shipping experts who undoubtedly have been consulted and are already looking for the quickest way to resolve the situation. With billions of dollars in stake, I'm sure even the most expensive experts are involved.

We're kind of like physicists: https://xkcd.com/793/

Re: Is that ship still stuck?

#462

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I've had the exact same idea but the canal bank is very shallow.. so you would have to build around the whole ship (as you said). This also seems like a major undertaking. I am excited to see how they will solve the problem though!

If the bank is very shallow and mostly sand, maybe instead of building a damn all around the ship it would be easier to just dredge a new passage that goes around the stuck ship. After all the real problem isn't that the ship is run aground, it's that the canal is blocked for everyone else.

Dredge a new passage? These ships do not turn on a dime, it would have to be started way before this blockage, and end way after the blockage so that the entry and exit are shallow enough of an angle for even the largest ships to handle with easy.

You're basically asking why can't they just make a whole new canal in less than a week?

Re: Is that ship still stuck?

#463

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Could you build a temporary barrier around the ship and the section of the canal, bring in some massive pumps, and temporarily raise the water level around the ship? Edit: Something like this https://www.hydrologicalsolutions.com/aqua-barrier-cofferdam...

Imagine the pressures on the temporary barrier too, and what a failure would mean. Even bigger disaster.

A failure would mean all the water bursts out and the ship is stuck again. I don’t see how that would set us back much?

Re: Is that ship still stuck?

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If I understand [1] properly, the Chinook can lift 13 tons[2]. The Evergiven's maximum weight is 200000 tons. So that would be 15000+ Chinooks lifting it. A sight to behold. Added: Only about 1200 were ever produced, so that won't fly. [1] https://www.army.mil/article/137584/ch_47_chinook_helicopter [2] 26000 pounds

Okay but what about rockets?

Well, according to[1] elsewhere in this thread, we can use 130 tons as an approximation for lift capacity. So for 200000 tons, that would require 1500 ICMBs connected to the ship and launched at the same time.

Probably more expensive than most other solutions, and I doubt that the Evergiven will be in a good condition afterwards.

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26586189

Re: Is that ship still stuck?

#466

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If this had gotten stuck in 1960s Russia they would have done that already.

And 70 years later the radiation levels would be getting back to normal.

Can use this to avoid radiation :] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Father_of_All_Bombs

Re: Is that ship still stuck?

#468

Quite the arrogance here of mostly software devs trying to out -solutionize marine/shipping experts who undoubtedly have been consulted and are already looking for the quickest way to resolve the situation. With billions of dollars in stake, I'm sure even the most expensive experts are involved.

Yeah they flew in a 10 man team from Netherlands pretty much immediately

Re: Is that ship still stuck?

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I read that there aren't any tall enough cranes in that area to do it, so they're considering unloading some containers by helicopter.

Even if you could unload a container per minute you could only unload less than 1000 containers per day (assuming it's too dangerous to work at night) so at least 3 weeks of continuous helicopter operations.

Hm. I live in Long Beach and those guys are definitely used to working at night

Re: Is that ship still stuck?

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>You're basically asking to build a port in the middle of the egyptian desert. No. Helicopters. 10 helis, 1 container/sortie, 10 sorties/hour = 10000 containers in 5 days.

> 10 helis, 20tons each, 10 sorties/hour = 200k ton in 5 days. Among the many problems with this calculation is that shipping containers can't be freely subdivided and recombined, and can have a loaded weight over 30 tons. EDIT: And to address the crossing edit: > 10 helis, 1 container/sortie, 10 sorties/hour = 10000 containers in 5 days. ...and the heaviest-lift helicopters can't lift 30 tons.

One would expect lightest containers on top, heaviest at the bottom. CH53 can lift 15ton, so probably it can unload several top layers.
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