Is that ship still stuck? • Hacker News Board

Re: Is that ship still stuck?

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Post by zeteo » Thu, Mar 25, 2021, 10:03 PM UTC

PeterisP wrote: post #119

zeteo wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Some people have suggested unloading the ship. I don't think you realize the infrastructure required to unload a ship. You're basically asking to build a port in the middle of the egyptian desert. That isn't going to happen. I think you just need a smaller crane ship to transfer the cargo e.g. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auxiliary_crane_ship

IMHO would take weeks to unload the cargo with something like that.

Yeah but you may not need to unload it completely. At some point as the buoyancy improves the tugs become more likely to pull it off.

Re: Is that ship still stuck?

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Post by Arrath » Thu, Mar 25, 2021, 10:03 PM UTC

bigfudge wrote: post #125

postingawayonhn wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unloading is feasible, it would just take a couple of weeks. They just need a floating crane on each side and some barges to take the containers away.

Is there a reason they couldn't have a smaller crane on board and dump them over the side. Surely even losing the cargo would be cheaper than keeping it blocked at this point?

Dumping things over the side, into the canal? That would rapidly block up the canal even worse.

Re: Is that ship still stuck?

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Post by dshibarshin » Thu, Mar 25, 2021, 10:04 PM UTC

elihu wrote: post #62

I suppose I'll kick off the usual "why don't they just do X" thread. It seems to me that if they can't move it by any normal means, they could just start pushing cargo containers overboard and fish them out until it's light enough to move. I could also a lot of plausible reasons why they wouldn't do that: - it wouldn't work (no equipment to move containers) - the ship's owner doesn't want to do that and no one has th…

The carrier can announce a general average [1] which allows it to throw the containers overboard if they believe it will help the ship get moving.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_average

Re: Is that ship still stuck?

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Post by krisoft » Thu, Mar 25, 2021, 10:04 PM UTC

Black101 wrote: post #80

Denvercoder9 wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nine women can't make a baby in a month. Some things just take time, regardless of how much resources you throw at it.

Somebody just have to come up with a good idea.... IE: blow up a boat load of C4 on the side of it...

Just in case you are not joking, what do you think blowing up C4 at the side of the ship would achieve?

Re: Is that ship still stuck?

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Post by timgarner0 » Thu, Mar 25, 2021, 10:04 PM UTC

cmckn wrote: post #109

Visited this on my phone and it said "No.". I yelped. Turns out there's just an issue with the site on mobile! Still stuck.

The site provides a tongue-in-cheek warning for this: "Tornado Guard warnings apply."

https://xkcd.com/937

Re: Is that ship still stuck?

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Post by [deleted] » Thu, Mar 25, 2021, 10:04 PM UTC

bigfudge wrote: post #125

postingawayonhn wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unloading is feasible, it would just take a couple of weeks. They just need a floating crane on each side and some barges to take the containers away.

Is there a reason they couldn't have a smaller crane on board and dump them over the side. Surely even losing the cargo would be cheaper than keeping it blocked at this point?

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Re: Is that ship still stuck?

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Post by dr_orpheus » Thu, Mar 25, 2021, 10:04 PM UTC

panzagl wrote: post #17

ksec wrote: post #8

~15% of the World's trade is dependent on it and this is taking much longer than expected. Why?

It's stuck like a couch in a stairwell.

Do you think getting David Schwimmer to come yell "Pivot!" would help?

Re: Is that ship still stuck?

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Post by WJW » Thu, Mar 25, 2021, 10:05 PM UTC

Black101 wrote: post #80

Denvercoder9 wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nine women can't make a baby in a month. Some things just take time, regardless of how much resources you throw at it.

Somebody just have to come up with a good idea.... IE: blow up a boat load of C4 on the side of it...

The canal is just 10 metres deeper than the ship and it's more than 10 metres high, so just blowing up the ship is not enough to clear the canal. You also need to take away the 200 million kg of steel afterwards. At that point it's easier to just wait for the Really Big Tugboats to come over.

Re: Is that ship still stuck?

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Post by reilly3000 » Thu, Mar 25, 2021, 10:05 PM UTC

Denvercoder9 wrote: post #46

ksec wrote: post #8

~15% of the World's trade is dependent on it and this is taking much longer than expected. Why?

Nine women can't make a baby in a month. Some things just take time, regardless of how much resources you throw at it.

> Nine women can't make a baby in a month. This is my new favorite phrase.

Re: Is that ship still stuck?

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Post by moonbug » Thu, Mar 25, 2021, 10:05 PM UTC

postingawayonhn wrote: post #98

blhack wrote: post #39

I don't think people are giving enough credit to how stuck the ship is. Look at some of the photos of the front of it. Look at how far out of the water it is sitting. The ship might look like that if it were totally empty, but not when it is full of containers like this. Some people saying: just drag it off of the sand. Okay! And what happens when that causes you to rip a hole into the hull of the ship? Now it's real…

Unloading is feasible, it would just take a couple of weeks. They just need a floating crane on each side and some barges to take the containers away.

that "just" is doing even more work than the guy in the digger.