Reddit’s most popular subreddits go private in protest against ‘censorship’ • Hacker News Board

Re: Reddit’s most popular subreddits go private in protest against ‘censorship’

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Post by buisi » Thu, Mar 25, 2021, 11:46 AM UTC

rory wrote: post #148

i_haz_rabies wrote: post #130

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I hope you don't get downvoted for this. If you care about childrens welfare, you should be 100% in support of pedophiles coming forward and seeking help.

Right, but the context here is not the guy seeking help. It's him explaining why he thinks it's okay for his girlfriend (now wife) to work with vulnerable children while he actively produces content fantasizing about raping children.

I don't think it makes sense to view producing such content as so frightening.

https://web.archive.org/web/20190602191056/https://cphpost.d... > Cartoons and drawings depicting paedophilia do not encourage people to commit child sex offences in real life, a report by experts who treat sexual problems concludes.

The report, carried out by Sexologisk Klinik, which is a part of Rigshospitalet, was ordered by the former justice minister, Lars Barfod (Konservative), after the Socialdemokraterne, then in opposition, demanded a ban on drawings and animations of children being sexually abused.

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/11/101130111326.h... > The findings support the theory that potential sexual offenders use child pornography as a substitute for sex crimes against children. While the authors do not approve of the use of real children in the production or distribution of child pornography, they say that artificially produced materials might serve a purpose.

Re: Reddit’s most popular subreddits go private in protest against ‘censorship’

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Post by syshum » Thu, Mar 25, 2021, 2:42 PM UTC

luc4sdreyer wrote: post #235

wccrawford wrote: post #51

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I think it's even worse than that. They'll remember, but still keep coming back. You can't even blame short memory for it. They literally don't care more than the inconvenience they'd face in going elsewhere for forums. And as long as that's true, the things they dislike will keep happening.

Users will switch if there is a viable alternative.

There are plenty of alternatives out there. Reddit has become a huge echo chamber for pretty much everything but doubly so for politics.

I abandoned political reddit years go, and now I find myself finding less and less use for technical reddit as well

the last vestige of reddit now seems to be for the lol's and meme's but even for the base level content that started redit it is becoming less funny, and more and more cringe

Re: Reddit’s most popular subreddits go private in protest against ‘censorship’

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Post by eric_cc » Thu, Mar 25, 2021, 2:47 PM UTC

syshum wrote: post #542

luc4sdreyer wrote: post #235

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Users will switch if there is a viable alternative.

There are plenty of alternatives out there. Reddit has become a huge echo chamber for pretty much everything but doubly so for politics. I abandoned political reddit years go, and now I find myself finding less and less use for technical reddit as well the last vestige of reddit now seems to be for the lol's and meme's but even for the base level content that started redit it is becoming less funny, and more and more…

> There are plenty of alternatives out there.

Can you please provide a few of the best alternatives?

Re: Reddit’s most popular subreddits go private in protest against ‘censorship’

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Post by lolsal » Thu, Mar 25, 2021, 2:55 PM UTC

irrational wrote: post #307

lolsal wrote: post #202

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The point is not the joke, the point is the betrayal. It eroded confidence that any post or comment on reddit is real or authentic.

Is this a joke? Why would anyone think that any post or comment on a place like Reddit is real or authentic? The entire thing is an anonymous black hole. It is as far from real and authentic as I can imagine anything being.

Things can be both real and anonymous. Things can be both authentic and anonymous.

Re: Reddit’s most popular subreddits go private in protest against ‘censorship’

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Post by prepend » Thu, Mar 25, 2021, 3:12 PM UTC

pen2l wrote: post #248

prepend wrote: post #220

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> pretty insignifiant in the grand scheme of things. It was super significant in that it was evidence that Reddit employees have the ability to edit messages with no audit trail and no governance. So while the individual edit was not important, the fact that it happened was. And there is an unknown number of other edits that were never disclosed and is unprovable. So Reddit broke the one thing it’s supposed to do- al…

> It was super significant in that it was evidence that Reddit employees have the ability to edit messages with no audit trail and no governance. Yeah this is an issue, but let’s be real here, this matters to you me and a few other people here, and outside in the real world no-one cares. Even this expectation is new, any admin who was hosting phpbb forums or whatever else had this freedom to change a few entries in t…

One of the things I first set up in systems like this is to really lock down who can change and do stuff like put content into immutable read only stores so it’s hard to change.

And I also set up audits and alarms so if someone does change things that shouldn’t be changed then alerts get pushed out to the right places for review. Even if it’s simple stuff like putting a trigger on a column that shouldn’t change so it’s logged and reviewed when someone changes it.

This is just a reasonable thing for an admin to set up. Decades ago, I got really pissed when sysadmins were just reading email and worked to set up controls so people could only do this with the right controls and reading a users’ content was a big deal that was super hard, hopefully impossible to do inappropriately.

There are situations where this has to happen right- HR investigating a complaint, laws, audits, etc- and that’s still possible. But casually browsing and changing without anyone knowing should not be allowed in any serious business. It’s not that hard to set up.

Re: Reddit’s most popular subreddits go private in protest against ‘censorship’

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Post by TameAntelope » Thu, Mar 25, 2021, 5:13 PM UTC

hda2 wrote: post #525

TameAntelope wrote: post #518

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And I've eaten an entire pizza, but that doesn't mean my philosophy of eating generally so I don't become obese is invalid.

I think you got it backwards. Reddit not yanking subreddits is an exception that is only afforded to the largest and most visible subs. Reddit absolutely loves to yank smaller subreddits from mods.

How would you know what Reddit as an organization likes to do?

Seems anthropomorphic to me...

Re: Reddit’s most popular subreddits go private in protest against ‘censorship’

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Post by SamBam » Thu, Mar 25, 2021, 5:18 PM UTC

exar0815 wrote: post #419

Rebelgecko wrote: post #52

Reddit has addressed the situation here, in a mealy mouthed sort of way: https://www.reddit.com/r/modsupport/comments/mbqgx2 However they seem to be denying the accusations that admins (possibly including the individual in question) were manually editing contents containing her name. This whole situation is incredibly bizarre to me. In the first place, why would reddit hire a 23 year old admin whose greatest accompli…

Well, there is also the fact that Ellen Pao, former Reddit CEO, is linked to Partys by Epstein.[1] Also, there was a lot of circumstantial evidence alleging Ghislaine Maxwell was a powerful mod on reddit, with a very disgusting collection of "evidence"[2] [1] https://www.businessinsider.com/ghislaine-maxwell-attended-k... [2] https://www.reddit.com/r/Epstein/comments/hnckn0/umaxwellhil...

Number 2 has beed deleted.

Re: Reddit’s most popular subreddits go private in protest against ‘censorship’

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Post by meowface » Thu, Mar 25, 2021, 6:10 PM UTC

wcarron wrote: post #513

meowface wrote: post #511

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Obviously horrible if true, but what's the evidence?

> Challenor moderated the major Reddit forum r/lgbt among others for several years. Key quote from this article: https://freebeacon.com/culture/reddit-faces-massive-user-pro... I deactivated my reddit account and blocked reddit domains on my devices this morning as a result of the censorship. So now I'm cut off from any more reddit interaction and can't provide anything further. Also, Challenor and other admins delet…

>also moderated a number of subreddits, specifically ones pertaining to minors

I meant the one about moderating a number of subreddits pertaining to minors. I'm aware of the other claims.

Re: Reddit’s most popular subreddits go private in protest against ‘censorship’

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Post by caslon » Thu, Mar 25, 2021, 7:36 PM UTC

prepend wrote: post #539

caslon wrote: post #421

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Everything on reddit is archived roughly as soon as it's posted. Any manipulation can therefore be spotted just by looking at an archive.

And who is reviewing the archives for everything, all the time, looking for diffs?

A handful of services automatically show diffs. reddit only really deletes stuff, it doesn't care about changing them.

Re: Reddit’s most popular subreddits go private in protest against ‘censorship’

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Post by akustik » Thu, Mar 25, 2021, 9:24 PM UTC

phreack wrote: post #150

Why did they even hire such a controversial person in the first place? It's baffling how they're doubling down on defending her after her previous actions. I wonder if this'll all cool down in a couple of days with everyone forgetting about this or if there'll be a new established rhetoric in inflammatory communities like 'reddit admins are confirmed pedophiles'.

Here's a bit more info about this person (it's a bit hit-piece-y for me, but it doesn't look false) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HjYkx-ZhUQ4