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Re: Emacs 27.2

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Post by iterati » Thu, Mar 25, 2021, 4:04 PM UTC

dfinninger wrote: post #23

NyxWulf wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

spacemacs has a very complete vim layer. By far it's the most complete implementation outside of actual vim I've seen.

Spacemacs uses “Evil mode”[1], which is available just as a regular (MELPA) package. I started with Vim and so I’ve always used evil. “Vanilla” emacs, spacemacs, now doom. [1] https://github.com/emacs-evil/evil

I'm curious if you've already used evil with vanilla why you'd migrate to spacemacs or doom. I've never found either to add much that a custom config can't get to easily and with more control. Maybe that's changed in the past half-decade or so since I last tried Spacemacs, though.

Re: Emacs 27.2

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Post by ilovecaching » Thu, Mar 25, 2021, 4:15 PM UTC

Not to start a holy war, but what are the advantages of emacs over vim these days? I'm considering switching to emacs just to have learned both.

Re: Emacs 27.2

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Post by Smithalicious » Thu, Mar 25, 2021, 4:22 PM UTC

Decabytes wrote: post #14

I've used Emacs for almost 5 years now and it has served me well. In the beginning it was frustrating and confusing, but now that I understand it, it's the way I naturally interact with code on my computer. The fact that so many gnu tools have movement similar to Emacs means that I can quickly become more effective in them. The fact that my work Macbook allows me to do some rudimentary movement with C-a, C-e, C-f, C-…

I use pre-release Emacs with the nativecomp branch ("gccemacs") and Doom. Starts in 2.1 seconds and it's blazing fast. Definitely the best thing to come to Emacs for me in a long time, very exciting.

I can't wait for it to hit release so everybody can play with it!

Re: Emacs 27.2

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Post by luismbo » Thu, Mar 25, 2021, 4:24 PM UTC

tharne wrote: post #17

Decabytes wrote: post #14

I've used Emacs for almost 5 years now and it has served me well. In the beginning it was frustrating and confusing, but now that I understand it, it's the way I naturally interact with code on my computer. The fact that so many gnu tools have movement similar to Emacs means that I can quickly become more effective in them. The fact that my work Macbook allows me to do some rudimentary movement with C-a, C-e, C-f, C-…

I prefer vim as an editor, but in terms of being a unique and fascinating piece of software, emacs wins hands down. There's something really cool about the fact that you can't easily answer the question, "What is emacs similar to?", because it's such a total sui generis.

It's similar to a Lisp Machine.

Re: Emacs 27.2

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Post by abzug » Thu, Mar 25, 2021, 4:25 PM UTC

wyuenho wrote: post #19

and... flickering is back on the NS port.

Alan Third (the NS maintainer) said on reddit that "It's too big and invasive a change for Emacs 27."[1]

[1]: https://old.reddit.com/r/emacs/comments/mc82yk/flickering_em...

Re: Emacs 27.2

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Post by znpy » Thu, Mar 25, 2021, 4:26 PM UTC

ilovecaching wrote: post #32

Not to start a holy war, but what are the advantages of emacs over vim these days? I'm considering switching to emacs just to have learned both.

The scripting language isn't total crap, for starters.

There's a huge amount of tools (package) that enable additional features.

It's easy to interface with other stuff.

Re: Emacs 27.2

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Post by wiz21c » Thu, Mar 25, 2021, 4:28 PM UTC

Smithalicious wrote: post #33

Decabytes wrote: post #14

I've used Emacs for almost 5 years now and it has served me well. In the beginning it was frustrating and confusing, but now that I understand it, it's the way I naturally interact with code on my computer. The fact that so many gnu tools have movement similar to Emacs means that I can quickly become more effective in them. The fact that my work Macbook allows me to do some rudimentary movement with C-a, C-e, C-f, C-…

I use pre-release Emacs with the nativecomp branch ("gccemacs") and Doom. Starts in 2.1 seconds and it's blazing fast. Definitely the best thing to come to Emacs for me in a long time, very exciting. I can't wait for it to hit release so everybody can play with it!

I have built gccemacs a week ago. I didn't see much difference in speed and it breaks wanderlust... Are there things to know to get the speed (and yes, I've checked it was enabled during ./configure :-)) ?

Re: Emacs 27.2

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Post by vvillena » Thu, Mar 25, 2021, 4:28 PM UTC

iterati wrote: post #31

dfinninger wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Spacemacs uses “Evil mode”[1], which is available just as a regular (MELPA) package. I started with Vim and so I’ve always used evil. “Vanilla” emacs, spacemacs, now doom. [1] https://github.com/emacs-evil/evil

I'm curious if you've already used evil with vanilla why you'd migrate to spacemacs or doom. I've never found either to add much that a custom config can't get to easily and with more control. Maybe that's changed in the past half-decade or so since I last tried Spacemacs, though.

The vim bindings are only one part of Spacemacs. The other (and I'd say most important) part is the SPC menu that exposes hundreds of keybindings in a discoverable, unobtrusive, and interactive interface.

Re: Emacs 27.2

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Post by lsllc » Thu, Mar 25, 2021, 4:32 PM UTC

rataata_jr wrote: post #5

Anyone running the jit Emacs? Can't wait for it. I did try compiling it from source for my linux setup. Would love to see it on windows.

Yes, it's pretty solid running Doom Emacs. There's a handy macOS build script/helper:

https://github.com/jimeh/build-emacs-for-macos

The author curates a list of "known good" commits to the feature/native-comp branch so you don't waste your time with bad builds:

https://github.com/jimeh/build-emacs-for-macos/issues/6

Re: Emacs 27.2

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Post by chriswarbo » Thu, Mar 25, 2021, 4:32 PM UTC

TeMPOraL wrote: post #27

Decabytes wrote: post #14

I've used Emacs for almost 5 years now and it has served me well. In the beginning it was frustrating and confusing, but now that I understand it, it's the way I naturally interact with code on my computer. The fact that so many gnu tools have movement similar to Emacs means that I can quickly become more effective in them. The fact that my work Macbook allows me to do some rudimentary movement with C-a, C-e, C-f, C-…

Definitely go for GccEmacs (feature/native-comp) branch if you haven't yet. Despite being experimental, it's pretty much stable. I've been running it for over half a year as a daily driver, and seen zero issues (but much performance improvements!). Similar stories abound on-line. Wish something be done about proper threading support, but I understand it's a herculean task at this point. (For those unfamiliar, GccEmac…

> Wish something be done about proper threading support, but I understand it's a herculean task at this point.

I would agree about adding concurrency and parallelism; but threading is very much a WorseIsBetter approach, which I certainly wouldn't like to use directly.

Co-routines or futures would seem a better fit for Lispy semantics. Actors seem too different and heavyweight, but I'd still prefer them to threading!