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Rocket Lake is still on 14nm because of issues with their 10nm process and the new guy a week in is talking smack about them shipping 7nm product and compete against the likes of TMSC/Samsung ???.
They don't have to do 10 and 7 on the way to 5, right? I assume they can just skip some of the work, especially if the newer process is totally different anyway.
Intel chief Pat Gelsinger: Too many chips made in Asia
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#222America should use the "we need to spend spend spend to revitalize the economy" to domesticate more industry.
What is the point of "spend spend spend" without a strategy and top-down direction to it? All we seem to care about in the US is "jobs". Generic jobs. Working class low wage jobs. Whatever jobs gets the public off a politician's back. Not a lot of focus on whether those are useful jobs in long run, or strategically important jobs. Or we seem to end up after "spend spend spend" with some new financial derivative produ…
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#223As he says here, the decision not to take risk and jump to EUV with TSMC and Samsung was the mistake that started this downfall and it snowballed. The decision happened somewhere in the pathfinding stage into 10nm. When Gerald Marcyk was running Intel components research back in the 2001 Intel was already considering using EUV lithography for the 45nm technology node that would come out 2007. It turned out that the s…
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Interaction with the mask material, I imagine. With hard x-rays, most of the photons generated will just sail right through, not interacting at all, or (worse) ionize the material being exposed. Personally, I'm surprised that there aren't ways to generate this energy by nonlinear mixing of light from two lasers that are separated by the desired frequency.
Lasers are an Electro-Magnetic emission of which the output is a synchronized at a specific and regular frequency. If you have two lasers at about 700nm and 1000nm, and they 'start' at a synchronized point, then 7mm (7000nm) of emission later they'd have a repeat of the cycle begin again. During that cycle the interference pattern would probably have an interesting shape, but I very much doubt it'd be useful for semi…
Actually most consumer oriented lasers (for example green lasers) work like this, but I don’t know if it works for frequencies as high as soft x-rays.
Re: Intel chief Pat Gelsinger: Too many chips made in Asia
#225American fabs have focused on too many feel good measures to competitively compete with the Asian fabs. The new TSMC Arizona HR director came from Intel and one of the first questions out of his mouth was about TSMC's commitment to diversity. TSMC doesn't have a commitment to diversity...it has a commitment to hire the best and brightest to bring value to their end customers. Pure and simple that is how you succeed.
By all means, hire every diverse candidate you can if they’re the best and the brightest. Diversity and inclusion is a sure fire way to hire mediocre people. Every culture and every race has some brilliant folks. Hire them.
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first of all, I don't think "impoverish" is quite the right word. if you have a 9700k and I buy a 10900k, my cpu is faster, but your cpu is no slower than it was yesterday. past that, I don't really understand what there is to explain. if it would be good for everyone to have $1000, it would be even better (as an individual) to have $10000. assuming you care about money/chips/whatever. if you don't it obviously doesn…
I don't see how depriving others of technological advancement comports with any kind of justifiable theory of social governance, it's just a method of dominating others. I am not convinced we even benefit much from these kinds of antics. We have a few more consumer goods, but fundamental goods (education, housing, medicine, food) are sky-high in price, there are few worker protections, and huge portions of the budget…
There's a reason for this. Every time you pay money that goes into the community there's a higher chance for local prosperity.
If we start eating beets from China some beet farmer may be rich and his family will definitely be happy. But why not buy local beets that enriches our communities.
So at some point Sprouts made the decision to instead of buying beets from a Chinese farmer, they will buy them from a local one. However Sprouts, as a national chain of grocery stores, could have decided one day to just make an extra $1 Billion by selling MOSTLY out of country food. They don't do this for 2 reasons - fear of backlash that all the food is from China and 2 these people do actually understand the local connection.
For some reason this logic does not translate to silicon valley companies. Those companies have made the choice that because of the price difference, it's best to buy it from far away. When you look at everything that's going on in the USA - the deep divides between rich and poor, between left and right - most of that is BECAUSE of economic inequity. If we fix the economic inequity, a lot of political shit will just go away. We have a reason to fight because things AREN'T going so well. Everyone has a different fix.
I personally think the fix is to come up with policy that Sprouts has: BUY LOCALLY GROWN.
The main reason we hear about the rich getting richer and the poor getting poorer is because those rich execs at Walmart and tech companies are paying people in China, India and wherever else they can pay the lowest possible price and resell it to Americans. It makes perfect sense why the 1% is becoming richer and richer. And raising taxes on them isn't the answer - it's to stop the exporting of American dollars to sell shit to Americans. Duh?!
Re: Intel chief Pat Gelsinger: Too many chips made in Asia
#227This could be great. Personal anecdote time, when I was using ESP32 there were some things it couldn't handle due to a very unconfigurable WiFi interface -- captive portal advertisement via DHCP specifically. (Before people get their knickers in a twist, it was connecting to a box that had no internet access, so there was no hostage situation there.) It turns out there are basically no open source or even American op…
I've just learned that the ESP32 is manufactured on a TSMC 40mm process. That's essentially caveman tech. All those foundries based on old processes should be churning out at least equivalent (if not more capable) chips. Heck, forget ESP32, is there a ESP8266 equivalent that's entirely made in the USA? Would love to use that instead - for many reasons.
But it's cheap, and MOQs are still achievable for mortals.
This is why.
There are way more reasons older litho processes persist beyond just them still making tons of money. 40nm for a microcontroller is rather impressive, given that the most are made with anything up to 180nm.
It takes more effort to design a chip with scaling down of geometries, lead times, and test samples are getting longer to get. Mask sets get more expensive. Less fabs are available to produce the chip. Some devices become unavailable at lower geometries.
And so on, and on...
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Hard for me to read the level of hyperbole here, but does that mean it’s something that could conceivably be manufactured in a home?
40nM is about 13 years old at this point, and has been replaced superseded several times. https://en.wikichip.org/wiki/40_nm_lithography_process Probably the only reason that line is still running would be validated long term stability products, or niche hardware designed with special application compatibility (E.G. radhard, higher end mil / aerospace concerns, maybe automotive). Semiconductor tooling is rather expen…
Re: Intel chief Pat Gelsinger: Too many chips made in Asia
#229American fabs have focused on too many feel good measures to competitively compete with the Asian fabs. The new TSMC Arizona HR director came from Intel and one of the first questions out of his mouth was about TSMC's commitment to diversity. TSMC doesn't have a commitment to diversity...it has a commitment to hire the best and brightest to bring value to their end customers. Pure and simple that is how you succeed.
That whole Intel diversity programme came from BK. And look at what it has done to Intel in that 4 years.
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#230It's interesting that Pat hopes that Apple would want another supplier, but I don't see 3nm Intel fab happening in the near future.
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