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Fire Destroys 300mm Line of Renesas’ Naka Factory

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Re: Fire Destroys 300mm Line of Renesas’ Naka Factory

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Post by perl4ever »

pwdisswordfish0 wrote: post #86
baybal2 wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Not a chance. The semiconductor industry, perversely, has no idea how to put computers to use, and the leadership and organizational structures are aligned against that kind of achievement ever coming from within (or being airdropped in by a leadership hire who cuts across the lanes from another industry) and making the necessary top-down sweeping changes). I've seen attitudes like this in the industry many times,…

> every time such "bright idea man" comes You're ignoring everything I'm saying. (Probably because you don't want to consider the idea that emperor really isn't wearing any spiffy new clothes.) We're not talking about bright ideas. We're talking about dumb, dead simple ideas. Dumber than UPS's fabled "let's try to minimize how much time we waste on left turns". Go watch that Dave Cutler clip and pay attention to what…

"let's try to minimize how much time we waste on left turns"

A tangent, but I would really like Google Maps, or some viable substitute to permit "only right turns" as an option.

There are routes where every time it wants me to make a left onto a busy highway from a side street with no traffic light. Knowing where the lights are would be one solution, but "only right turns" wouldn't depend on data.

Re: Fire Destroys 300mm Line of Renesas’ Naka Factory

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Post by monocasa »

quickthrowman wrote: post #72
jacquesm wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think they have a Chinese move against Taiwan more on the mind than an earthquake or other natural disaster.

I wouldn’t be surprised if TSM has self-destruct features built into their operations as a deterrent, or at least a plan to let the USAF bomb the hell out of the foundries if China invaded. The former might be a bit too risky :)

There's a rumor that they have rooms with explosives to scuttle the fabs.

Re: Fire Destroys 300mm Line of Renesas’ Naka Factory

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Post by dnautics »

tibbydudeza wrote: post #77
protomyth wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would imagine that some DoD plan states that all those fabs in Taiwan get blown up upon invasion.

Some military planners thinks the Chinese will not invade but will enforce a maritime blockade around the island to force the issue. Ships would be inspected and food and medicine will be allowed through but all trade goods will be blocked. But that is all depended on the US and it's allies having a stomach for a naval confrontation or that the Chinese mainland umbrella of long range missiles and air defense can be a…

Does the chinese navy have experience with maritime blockades? Besides, for chips, worst case scenario is load those chips onto ruslans and offboard them in guam or okinawa. A minor marginal expense. Will china shoot down taiwanese planes?

Re: Fire Destroys 300mm Line of Renesas’ Naka Factory

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Post by est »

dnautics wrote: post #103
tibbydudeza wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Some military planners thinks the Chinese will not invade but will enforce a maritime blockade around the island to force the issue. Ships would be inspected and food and medicine will be allowed through but all trade goods will be blocked. But that is all depended on the US and it's allies having a stomach for a naval confrontation or that the Chinese mainland umbrella of long range missiles and air defense can be a…

Does the chinese navy have experience with maritime blockades? Besides, for chips, worst case scenario is load those chips onto ruslans and offboard them in guam or okinawa. A minor marginal expense. Will china shoot down taiwanese planes?

It depends on whether supplies willing to bet which container ship or plane would be random shot down by PLAAF?

Re: Fire Destroys 300mm Line of Renesas’ Naka Factory

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Post by _fizz_buzz_ »

dgrin91 wrote: post #61

I'm not super familiar with this space and am a bit confused - why is this big on automakers and not other chip consumers? Also 300mm seems kind of big for chips? What am I missing?

300 mm is the wafer size. The wafers then get cut into chips. The whole production line has to be made so that it can process the wafer size. For a long time 200 mm wafers was the industry standard. That this is a 300 mm wafer fab implies that it is a high volume, fairly new fab that burned down.

Re: Fire Destroys 300mm Line of Renesas’ Naka Factory

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Post by imhoguy »

Nokinside wrote: post #44
post_break wrote: post #15

This is horrible. What keeps me up at night is thinking about TSMC. One company. Just needs an earth quake, fire, explosion, something and the whole world is crippled. I know we have samsung, intel, etc other fabs. But if TSMC ever went down it would make the thailand floods for hard drives look like a joke.

Taiwan is currently having a drought. Water supply to TSMC has been limited. TSMC scrambling to secure enough water. Fabs are chemical plants that require lots of water. TSMC Signs Deal For More Than 100 Water Tankers As Taiwan Drought Expected To Worsen https://wccftech.com/tsmc-signs-deal-for-more-than-100-water...

and this happens on high-tech island country surrounded by abundance of (salted) water.

Re: Fire Destroys 300mm Line of Renesas’ Naka Factory

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Post by [deleted] »

Nokinside wrote: post #44
post_break wrote: post #15

This is horrible. What keeps me up at night is thinking about TSMC. One company. Just needs an earth quake, fire, explosion, something and the whole world is crippled. I know we have samsung, intel, etc other fabs. But if TSMC ever went down it would make the thailand floods for hard drives look like a joke.

Taiwan is currently having a drought. Water supply to TSMC has been limited. TSMC scrambling to secure enough water. Fabs are chemical plants that require lots of water. TSMC Signs Deal For More Than 100 Water Tankers As Taiwan Drought Expected To Worsen https://wccftech.com/tsmc-signs-deal-for-more-than-100-water...

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Re: Fire Destroys 300mm Line of Renesas’ Naka Factory

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Post by herewulf »

adamparsons wrote: post #71
gscott wrote: post #34

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One Raspberry Pi in every car and problem solved.

I tried this years ago. Lets just say cars have a very unique set of constraints that general purpose dev boards will not survive.

I'd be interested to hear more about these constraints.

Re: Fire Destroys 300mm Line of Renesas’ Naka Factory

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Post by herewulf »

Gibbon1 wrote: post #62
gscott wrote: post #34

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One Raspberry Pi in every car and problem solved.

From an industrial/automotive/aerospace standpoint Raspberry Pi's are hot garbage.

Granted it's just the Raspberry Pi compute module, but the existence of the Revolution Pi[1] would seem to counter your point.

[1]: https://revolution.kunbus.com

Re: Fire Destroys 300mm Line of Renesas’ Naka Factory

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Post by jmiskovic »

unwind wrote: post #25

As someone who has had to endure over a year of very close to the metal (in this case, imagine centuries old, gnarly, rusty random pot metal, maybe) development on a Renesas platform, I'm tempted to think "fewer Renesas products? Awesome!!" but obviously that would be childish. I'm sorry for all the people hurt by this, fire is no joke. Edit: added missing words.

I used Renesas with GHS debugger. It required _constant_ access to license server. If I used VPN to access another virtual machine the IDE would throw dialog on top of other windows with a countdown. Using GDB CLI after that felt like living in the future!
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