I think this reflect the current state of the open source project governance committees: they have been overtaken by the “woke” individuals, concerned with virtue signaling. They did the same thing to Linus. I hope that the new open source projects will emerge from this mess, where the technical merits will dominate once again.
Mozilla, Tor Join Calls to Oust Richard Stallman from Free Software Foundation
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Re: Mozilla, Tor Join Calls to Oust Richard Stallman from Free Software Foundation
#112Earlier quoted context omitted.
the sexual harassment was asking women at conferences on dates
You're downplaying it entirely. He has a track record of handing out sexualized 'pleasure cards' at professional conferences. Women at MIT were warned away from him, told to keep plants to ward him off. And one of the most troubling things he has done is psychological manipulation. Many jurisdictions rightly recognise as domestic abuse. In particular, he told one woman he would kill himself if she didn't date him. De…
Manipulating? The word you are looking for is begging.
Get a grip
Re: Mozilla, Tor Join Calls to Oust Richard Stallman from Free Software Foundation
#113Earlier quoted context omitted.
Defend him against what? Not sure what he need defending from, really. It's possible being critical both ways, without seeking harm.
I don't know. Apparently he's both the most brilliant, accomplished, charismatic leader, scholar and engineer who has ever lived, as well as a fragile "autistic" rose who cannot be held responsible for his words and actions and must be protected at all costs by a small army of simps swearing blood oaths of vengeance against his enemies every time he becomes a topic of conversation.
Creating a sarcastic straw man does not help you make your point...
Re: Mozilla, Tor Join Calls to Oust Richard Stallman from Free Software Foundation
#114I believe there is a significant chilling effect in regards to speaking out in the defense of Richard Stallman, a man who has never been convicted of a crime, and who in response to the allegations in the open letter has said things such as: "We know that Giuffre was being coerced into sex – by Epstein. She was being harmed," "Through personal conversations in recent years, I've learned to understand how sex with a c…
>I believe there is a significant chilling effect in regards to speaking out in the defense of Richard Stallman Sorry? What chilling effect? People are coming out of the woodwork to defend him. Most of the comments on most threads on Hacker News defend him. I can't think of anyone more vigorously and vociferously defended by the tech community except maybe Aaron Swartz. If there's any chilling effect at all, it's in…
Show me a good faith disagreement with Stallman, and I'll show you something so minor as to not justify ousting a man from his job, let alone an entire Board. In fact, in most cases I'll show you one side that doesn't try to actively foist their viewpoint on others, but instead invites the other side to come to their own conclusion.
I'll leave it as an exercise to the reader as to which is which.
Re: Mozilla, Tor Join Calls to Oust Richard Stallman from Free Software Foundation
#115Earlier quoted context omitted.
Sexual Harassment can mean anything to these usurpers. What it probably means is a big, fat, ugly nerd tried his hand at flirting. Didn't go so well. A little bit of awkwardness for both parties ensured. End of story. Long Live RS!
> Sexual Harassment can mean anything to these usurpers. This is a complete strawman. Sexual harassment is well defined. It would be unwanted and, especially, persistent sexual attention.
By definition, literally any rejection of an intimate advance would make that advance "unwanted". Should we as a society interpret this to mean that the only people allowed to flirt with other people are ones who are successful 100% of the time?
Now, obviously if he persisted after rejection then that changes things, but it doesn't seem like that's been alleged AFAICT.
Re: Mozilla, Tor Join Calls to Oust Richard Stallman from Free Software Foundation
#116Earlier quoted context omitted.
the sexual harassment was asking women at conferences on dates
You're downplaying it entirely. He has a track record of handing out sexualized 'pleasure cards' at professional conferences. Women at MIT were warned away from him, told to keep plants to ward him off. And one of the most troubling things he has done is psychological manipulation. Many jurisdictions rightly recognise as domestic abuse. In particular, he told one woman he would kill himself if she didn't date him. De…
For heavens sake, "business or pleasure?" was the question you were asked at the border before getting a stamp in your passport once upon a time.
So a business card turned into a pleasure card, which has nothing to do with sex at all, except for people who want to see things that aren't there.
It's one of RMS's quaint re-namings, and people turn it into something sinister.
> Women at MIT were warned away from him, told to keep plants to ward him off.
That may have been a joke or they didn't want to listen to his preaching. Anecdotal hearsay anyway.
> he told one woman he would kill himself if she didn't date him.
How did he say that? Most likely as a joke, which millions of people have done.
But hey, let's focus on Stallman who wasn't even involved with Epstein himself instead of the people that Epstein collected dossiers about. Those would be the interesting ones, but perhaps some corporate or political interests don't allow it.
Re: Mozilla, Tor Join Calls to Oust Richard Stallman from Free Software Foundation
#117Earlier quoted context omitted.
I don't know. Apparently he's both the most brilliant, accomplished, charismatic leader, scholar and engineer who has ever lived, as well as a fragile "autistic" rose who cannot be held responsible for his words and actions and must be protected at all costs by a small army of simps swearing blood oaths of vengeance against his enemies every time he becomes a topic of conversation.
Creating a sarcastic straw man does not help you make your point...
Come now, every Stallman thread is a scarecrow convention, why single me out? Even my attempts at being reasonable and civil get voted down, I should at least be able to get my endorphine hit once in a while like everyone else.
Re: Mozilla, Tor Join Calls to Oust Richard Stallman from Free Software Foundation
#118There’s an open letter in support of RMS as well:
Re: Mozilla, Tor Join Calls to Oust Richard Stallman from Free Software Foundation
#119> Having a bed in his office at MIT is creepy as hell.
My understanding is that he slept (ie. lived) in his office, so having a bed there would be normal, not "creepy as hell."
Also, many professors have beds in their labs in case of long-running experiments. I've seen them and thought it was practical.
I read all of the related links about Stallman and didn't see any actual evidence.
What's odd about the US left is that they support Islam, which allows child brides as young as 9 yo (it happens every day.) Think about that for a moment before you get outraged about Stallman's personal views. So leftists, stop being creepy yourselves and get your own house in order before criticizing other people.
Re: Mozilla, Tor Join Calls to Oust Richard Stallman from Free Software Foundation
#120Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yeah I saw that, but I didn’t see anything that he did specifically. It seems he said some things that one might disagree with which is fair enough but saying it’s sexual harassment seems like a stretch IMO.
Did you, uh, read the medium link that I and the appendix linked to? https://selamjie.medium.com/remove-richard-stallman-appendix... He threatened suicide if a woman wouldn't date him. That's abusive manipulation. He, unsolicitedly hands out 'pleasure cards' to women at conferences. That's harassment: Conferences are a interest and professional environment; they're not Tinder. Having a bed in his office at MIT is cre…
Those cards said "Sharing good books, good food and exotic music and dance - tender embraces - unusual sense of humor." Handing out such calling cards seems to only be classified as harassment if the man is fat.