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Getting a virus is also "something being injected into your body" and it's much more dangerous than mRNA, which has no reported risks and is 100% guaranteed to be not self reproducing. Actually, we know that getting vaccines (esp. flu shot) somehow improves your health even beyond not getting what they vaccinate for. Getting the covid vaccine appears to cure long-term effects of covid infection in patients.
There's a difference between requesting that something be injected into your body and something injecting itself into your body against your will, and it's disingenuous to conflate them.
High IQs are associated with mental and physical disorders
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#202My opinion is that ultimately IQ is only a measure of performance on IQ tests. There is a positive correlation between IQ and performance in some tasks, but calling someone with a high IQ "smart" or "more intelligent" is a far reach in my experience, which is having an IQ over 179 (I did the test stoned and hungover in order to not score too highly) and being an idiot.
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Adopting a sedentary lifestyle isn't very smart. You'd think a club of high-IQ folk would know better.
A good example is that world chess champions are actually very athletic, especially the Soviet ones in the past and Magnus Carlsen today. My FAANG experience is that people like outdoor sports and going to the gym too, I wonder where all the Linux con t-shirts and drinking Jolt cola people went…
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> There may be some correlation There is so much correlation that the correlation of an aptitude test with an IQ test is basically equal to the correlation of one IQ test with another IQ test. (Around 0.8) By any definition other than "it can't be an IQ test unless that's part of its name", the aptitude tests are IQ tests. They do not differ in function.
That's simply not true. The form and function of the tests are fundamentally different. The biggest difference is that you can study for one, but studying for the other is considered cheating. You can see my other comment for further clarification.
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I don't really care one way or the other, but my impression is the group offers a setting for like-minded (read 'higher-IQ') individuals to come talk about anything and not just the thing they are there for.
No interest group or club that I've belonged to has ever stuck only to that topic in discussion.
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#207Long, long ago, I came to the conclusion that intelligence was inversely related to sanity. Not a scientific observation, just that people who I knew who were very smart also tended to have difficulties in more ways than the people I knew who had typical intelligence. Typical issues were depression, insecurity, difficulty relating or communicating with others, ... Certainly you can find people with these issues in al…
That stands to reason, if we assume that evolution arrives at largely efficient (specifically locally optimal) solutions: any trait that comes in handy would be selected for until its negative consequences (on average) just compensate any further increase.
This would predict that higher intelligence is correlated with something detrimental, whether it be insanity or something else.
EDIT: Someone said it much better here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26573055
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#208> It’s also possible that people who join Mensa differ from other people in ways other than just IQ. For example, people preoccupied with intellectual pursuits may spend less time than the average person on physical exercise and social interaction, both of which have been shown to have broad benefits for psychological and physical health. Is Mensa really an "intellectual pursuit"? I'm not sure exactly what Mensa does…
> I'm not sure exactly what Mensa does Gives a mermbership certificate and a number that they think they brag about to socially naive, gullible and arrogant (but otherwise smart), people (I say "think they can brag about" because nobody will actually be impressed by it, and it just makes them appear as crude idiots - IQ is not an accomplishment by itself, and the proof of genius is in genius work).
If this reads harsh, I did not mean it, but you social guys think you understand better, but often you do not.
I never announced my iq because I’ve seen that the answer other people usually get is either “ooh that’s high” or “what are you bragging about, it’s a number” or “mine is N”. Never heard the one that I find actually interesting: “which test it was, and oh, how did you analyze Nth, because it has three patterns with similar fitness, but only two were available as an answer”. Never once.
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#209For example, http://programme.exordo.com/isir2017/delegates/presentation/... looks at health in SMPY participants, which are a full SD or so above Mensans. If OP were true, they would have odds ratios of scores or hundreds (or higher!) compared to normal people of serious psychopathology, and SMPY surveys would be a staggering wasteland of mental illness; instead, they are very healthy and have rates lower or just slightly above normal people. Or even more recently, "Can You Ever Be Too Smart for Your Own Good? Comparing Linear and Nonlinear Effects of Cognitive Ability on Life Outcomes" https://www.gwern.net/docs/iq/2021-brown.pdf , Brown et al 2021, finds absolutely no evidence of any quadratic trend remotely like OP claims.
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I've never joined Mensa but I very clearly see the thing about neglecting physical and social pursuits because they are harder than intellectual ones :) Makes sense to choose things you're naturally good in, it's not really a 'preoccupation' as such. Someone who is great at sports will tend to focus on that. It's just natural to direct yourself towards pursuits that come easily. The problem with this thing of course…
Adopting a sedentary lifestyle isn't very smart. You'd think a club of high-IQ folk would know better.
In retrospect, you could definitely see that some people came from bad social backgrounds (and thus didn't wear the best clothes for instance) that were just there because they were so smart. But for instance there was also a guy from a very privileged background who went to private school (yes, clean clothes, confident and good at sports) who was actually a jerk. Anyways, there were also fairly average appearing people.
What I want to say is, I think the whole observation is very skewed. People from not so privileged backgrounds are usually not that visible, but just because of a high IQ might enter opportunities (university, job, social circles) that might be otherwise inaccessible und thus they get into the spotlight.