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Re: Gnome 40

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Post by freedomben »

fiddlerwoaroof wrote: post #94
freedomben wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your question is valid (and I have the same one) but this is about as uncharitable a thing to say as you can, especially without providing evidence/examples: > I guess they want to obfuscate as much as possible and dumb things down for users like they have been doing for close to a decade. The Gnome project has done an enormous amount to push the open source and free desktop forward. The least we can do is not impute…

I strongly disagree: the gnome project and the systemd mess are both severely damaging Linux. The good thing, though, is that KDE Plasma seems to have recovered nicely from the KDE 3->4 mess.

I'm not trying to argue, I'm surprised and legitimately interested at your comment and would really like to understand where you're coming from.

Are you a current Linux desktop user? How long have you been? What distros do you use?

If Gnome had just paused or become what MATE is today, would we be better off? If you were suddenly emperor of the Gnome Foundation, what would you direct them to do?

Re: Gnome 40

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Post by jeroenhd »

SamuelAdams wrote: post #136

Can they add a toggle that switches between these "fat" top window bars and "skinny" top window bars? Basically strip out about 90% of the extra padding from buttons and bars and compress the UI down to what OS 10.6/7/8 use. Otherwise I always have to tack on a theme just to fix this one issue. Realistically, how many people are using Gnome on touch screen displays? Personally I always use it on a laptop so 90% of th…

Gnome and GTK are heavily opinionated towards client side decorations. That means the fat borders are part of the application, not necessarily of the desktop manager.

You can make your own themes pretty easily though, if you want to change the theme. There's some quite-good-but-not-quite-there macOS themes that aren't too bad, especially with the top menu bars that Ubuntu used to have.

Re: Gnome 40

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Post by Aengeuad »

hojjat12000 wrote: post #121
oshanz wrote: post #105

GNOME has no thumbnails in the file picker https://jayfax.neocities.org/mediocrity/gnome-has-no-thumbna...

This is a dead meme. Boring and annoying specially to the Gnome developers. I have used Gnome for many years now. Never have this been an issue. If you look at the issue tracker[1], they are open to pull requests to add the thumbnail, we just need one person who cares about this feature! There are many other issues with Gnome that actually is their decision and it is a problem. This specific one is a GTK issue. But f…

Various patches have existed for at least a decade but every time they're proposed some issue is found and they're not merged so the goal posts shift from 'just write your own patch' to 'just become a Gnome maintainer' with no guarantees that you'll get the assistance you need to implement the feature or whether it'll even be merged, and fair enough, the Gnome team really don't owe anybody anything, but in that case getting annoyed that the community keeps referencing a 17 year old issue is just a natural part of the exchange.

Re: Gnome 40

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Post by merb »

turminal wrote: post #97
nerdponx wrote: post #76

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Purely out of curiosity, what else is the Gtk team currently working on? People have been complaining about the file chooser for years. I'd be willing to donate a good chunk of money just to support "basic UX" improvements to FOSS software and toolkits like Gtk. Should we start a "Fix the Gtk file chooser" Gofundme?

> Purely out of curiosity, what else is the Gtk team currently working on? Probably redesigning the entire interface. "For your convenience".

which they also do for years.

Re: Gnome 40

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Post by pseudalopex »

ziftface wrote: post #24
zserge wrote: post #9

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As the one who works simultaneously with macOS and Linux, I would be happy to see some unification. I'm not speaking about visual differences or look-n-feel of the apps, but common tasks like desktop switching or window switching - things you do hundreds times a day. Those IMO should involve as little brain as possible and rely on muscle memory.

This is my favorite thing about this update. That along with that mac hotkey tools for linux should make the transition back and forth easier.

Mac hot key tools?

Re: Gnome 40

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Post by fiddlerwoaroof »

freedomben wrote: post #151
fiddlerwoaroof wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I strongly disagree: the gnome project and the systemd mess are both severely damaging Linux. The good thing, though, is that KDE Plasma seems to have recovered nicely from the KDE 3->4 mess.

I'm not trying to argue, I'm surprised and legitimately interested at your comment and would really like to understand where you're coming from. Are you a current Linux desktop user? How long have you been? What distros do you use? If Gnome had just paused or become what MATE is today, would we be better off? If you were suddenly emperor of the Gnome Foundation, what would you direct them to do?

I’ve been using Linux on the desktop since Mandrake 7. I mostly use Debian these days (ever since Ubuntu switched from Gnome 2 to Unity). For a while I just used tiling window managers (xmonad, stumpwm) because I couldn’t make Gnome 3+ work for me. Recently I tried Plasma again and I’ve mostly settled on that being good enough. At this point, I have no confidence in most of the people involved in the Linux desktop initiatives: I’d probably fund MATE and maybe even the Trinity Desktop environment: the best Linux desktop setup I ever had was KDE 3 apps on Gnome 2

Re: Gnome 40

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Post by Aengeuad »

dleslie wrote: post #123
oshanz wrote: post #105

GNOME has no thumbnails in the file picker https://jayfax.neocities.org/mediocrity/gnome-has-no-thumbna...

This is an issue for me; I don't enjoy having to work around it by finding the file in a separate file browser window.

Also an issue for me, it does nothing for the already abysmal photography/image editing workflow. I try to use Qt programs where I can or xdg-desktop-portal where it's supported but some programs like Gimp still don't support it.

Re: Gnome 40

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Post by fiddlerwoaroof »

fiddlerwoaroof wrote: post #157
freedomben wrote: post #151

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not trying to argue, I'm surprised and legitimately interested at your comment and would really like to understand where you're coming from. Are you a current Linux desktop user? How long have you been? What distros do you use? If Gnome had just paused or become what MATE is today, would we be better off? If you were suddenly emperor of the Gnome Foundation, what would you direct them to do?

I’ve been using Linux on the desktop since Mandrake 7. I mostly use Debian these days (ever since Ubuntu switched from Gnome 2 to Unity). For a while I just used tiling window managers (xmonad, stumpwm) because I couldn’t make Gnome 3+ work for me. Recently I tried Plasma again and I’ve mostly settled on that being good enough. At this point, I have no confidence in most of the people involved in the Linux desktop in…

This page is a good example of everything I dislike about modern Linux desktop developers: https://stopthemingmy.app/

Re: Gnome 40

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Post by [deleted] »

k_bx wrote: post #137
hctaw wrote: post #131

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Clearly this isn't an issue that people care about enough to do anything about, otherwise someone would have gone and implemented it.

“Stop being poor” kind of an argument

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