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Post by seriousquestion »

stjohnswarts wrote: post #434
LudwigNagasena wrote: post #300

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So many words about race, nationality, community, white privilege and literally no mention of wealth, economic inequality or at least increased mobility of labour. This is what I “love” about modern American discourse.

Those are inextricably locked up with race in America, you aren't paying attention to statistics if you don't think there's correlation. Sure there are poor whites. but your chance of being poor and white is much lower than if you're black or latino. A huge portion of it does depend on who currently holds wealth and that is extremely weighted towards white people. The bootstrapping methodology/theory only gets you so…

There's correlation, but mistaking that for causation prevents us from being able to identify root problems and actually solve issues. Asians outperform in academics. Blacks outperform in basketball. Whites outperform in hockey. You can just as easily say those correlations are a result of racism as any other race-based statistic, but again, you'd be mistaken.

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Post by wayneftw »

cl0ne wrote: post #450
whack wrote: post #449

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Talk about a strawman. Are there some people who might have complained for dumb reasons? Sure. Are there more people would would have complained because they don't want their residential neighborhood to: - be filled with thrash - smell like burning rubber - violate noise ordinances every single Sunday? Yes. Most middle-aged people do not want to live in such an environment, and neither do I. This is exactly why resid…

Then they should have done some research about the neighborhood they were moving into.

Is that a law?

In all of America there are actual laws against littering, noise and pollution and wherever I move I expect them to be enforced.

Also I wonder if these lawbreakers were respectful of the culture that existed prior to them arriving? I doubt it and with that I will conclude that they probably don't deserve the same respect. It's a free country you know? If they don't like it they can move somewhere else (and probably disrupt wherever they move to).

I've been on the receiving end of car heads moving into my neighborhood. I ended up having to move out. What goes around, comes around I guess.

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Post by raisedbyninjas »

serial_dev wrote: post #420
wan23 wrote: post #406

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We supposedly live in a democracy, but the ability to affect what laws exist is not distributed equally. Sometimes there are two groups with opposing views of what the law should be, and the smaller group loses out. Oftentimes those people gather together in a place and have the local law enforcement disregard the law in their area. For example, pot is legal in Colorado even though it's illegal in the United States a…

> the residents of this neighborhood don't want the noise ordinance to be enforced, and they have been just fine with the way things have been going for decades Or maybe the silent majority of the old residents actually agree with the new people, except they already got tired of trying to enforce those rules, being ignored? That's just as likely in my opinion.

So many people, the majority even, have spent an extended period pleading with authorities on this issue with no media attention and now merely several residents of one apartment building make the same pleas. These don't seem equally likely. Or should we be interpreting your view through the lens of the "silent majority" euphemism?

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Post by sokoloff »

Decade wrote: post #428
sokoloff wrote: post #183

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That's what California's Prop 13 is. It works as originally intended to prevent people being priced out by rapidly rising property taxes but has other, necessarily linked negative effects. Lots of reading and analysis available by googling California Prop 13.

Those negative effects were not necessarily linked. Prop 13 was written by a lobbyist for commercial landlords, and corporations have always benefited the most from it. https://www.pbs.org/video/the-first-angry-man-lnpy07/ There are other ways to provide relief for rising property taxes. For example, Washington has a property tax deferral program, so seniors don’t have to pay the increased property tax until they or…

That's interesting. It seems like it runs the risk of making a long-held house extremely hard (or money-losing) to sell. If a $1M property has $900K in deferred property taxes against it (which would be possible to accrue in a 50+-year timespan). That house would never get sold, because the holding costs are based on 1970's tax rates (maybe with some annual escalator), so I can hold a $1M house for $5K/year and keep adding $20K/yr to the deferred balance or I can give up the house and put $60K in a real estate agent's pocket, $900K in the city's pocket, and $40K in my own pocket. I'm never doing that.

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Post by toolz »

jbroson wrote: post #437
toolz wrote: post #244

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There are an incredible number of topics that are deeply entwined with culture and issues of many kinds, that doesn't mean it's useful to turn a local law concerning garage mechanics into something about race. Would allowing only minorities to work on their vehicles at home solve the problem? It seems obvious (to me, at least) that it wouldn't, so why would race need to be brought into the equation when it's so much…

It sounds like you are just angry at the mere mention of race. Like we should just go through life pretending like race plays absolutely no factor in any law, human interaction, or bias unless someone says the "n" word or something. Given our history as a country that seems INCREDIBLY foolish.

I don't intend to portray anger as I couldn't be farther from angry. I just think solutions are easier to find when you tackle problems directly rather than assume malice exists lurking in the shadows every time a situation presents itself. The world isn't angry, nor is it racist, nor is it violent. The world is full of complexity and misunderstanding far more than it's full of malice. If you go looking for malice with the assumption it exists all over the place, you'll have no trouble confirming your bias just as someone might believe rather emotionless writings portray anger if they go into a discussion believing anyone with differing values must only hold to those values emotionally.

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Post by microtherion »

droptablemain wrote: post #407
microtherion wrote: post #390

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In general, I find that a somewhat overused trope, and I'm particularly suspicious when it's weaponized by gentrifiers, but if you look at the rims on the car at the top of the article and the burnout later on, maybe in this case, there may be a kernel of truth to "display of toxic masculinity". I like gadgets, and I can understand why people would want to enjoy them and show them off and I think that there should be…

It sounds like you're completely mystified by a sub-culture you have little to no exposure to.

Like most people who have lived anywhere close to navigable roads in the last century, I've had my share of exposure to various motorization centric subcultures.

But it's not really a matter of understanding subcultures, it's drawing a line between letting somebody exercise their rights, and that exercise impinging on other people's rights.

You don't need a chemistry degree to complain about your neighbor running a selenophenol synthesis in his backyard. You don't need to study the history of Jazz before complaining about them blasting Yamataka Eye at 3AM.

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Post by RestlessMind »

undefined1 wrote: post #317
LudwigNagasena wrote: post #300

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So many words about race, nationality, community, white privilege and literally no mention of wealth, economic inequality or at least increased mobility of labour. This is what I “love” about modern American discourse.

exactly. the elites couldn't be happier about the discourse being diverted away from the real issues. instead they have everyone caught up in a moral panic over melanin and identity. https://i.imgur.com/wusW5Rn.jpg

Ding ding ding!

Focus on identity politics started around 2014-15 (IIRC around Ferguson, MO riots). I always thought that that was a convenient distraction from the real elephant in the room - wealth inequality, poverty, classism - which was being highlighted by the Occupy movement.

It is almost as if "nefarious elites" pushed the media narratives about racism, sexism and all other -isms in order to divide the masses. Same as prior culture wars about relatively minor issues - who uses which bathrooms or abortion etc - which affect only a tiny subset of the society.

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Post by reducesuffering »

quantified wrote: post #350
reducesuffering wrote: post #220

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Basically most of the Bay Area

Go on? There are areas where more-wealthy South Asians are prominent, I don’t know if they took over from whites or Latinos though (Cupertino, etc.). White and Asian techies and financiers have displaced white and Latino non-techies, overall. I’m sure there are towns and neighborhoods I’m missing the picture on.

Gentrification is a process of changing the character of a neighborhood through the influx of more affluent residents and businesses.[0]

Cities like Fremont, Union City, Santa Clara, Sunnyvale, Cupertino were pretty much 80% white 50 years ago. They're now about 24-34%. With housing prices at $1-3M here, do you think that most of those white people went on to afford even more expensive homes elsewhere? Mostly not, they're priced out of their hometowns. You can see this in California migration patterns, where many more Americans emigrate California cheaper states than immigrate (you could consider some of them "gentrified") while CA adds population from immigrants internationally, and thus the population is steady.

Of course, it's "techies", really affluence, displacing non-techies, rather than any racial motivation.

Upon checking, it doesn't look like overall Hispanic populations are being displaced out of the Bay Area. It looks like some areas like SF and Fremont have slightly lower Hispanic populations from 2000-2018, whereas cities Hayward and San Jose increased by a further amount.

[0]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gentrification

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Post by droptablemain »

throwaway0x1 wrote: post #421
microtherion wrote: post #390

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In general, I find that a somewhat overused trope, and I'm particularly suspicious when it's weaponized by gentrifiers, but if you look at the rims on the car at the top of the article and the burnout later on, maybe in this case, there may be a kernel of truth to "display of toxic masculinity". I like gadgets, and I can understand why people would want to enjoy them and show them off and I think that there should be…

There may be a kernel of truth that the residents moving in are displaying "toxic leftism".

There's nothing "leftist" about pompous, anti-working class people.

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Post by SilasX »

sokoloff wrote: post #167
jimbob45 wrote: post #69

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https://code-enforcement.saccounty.net/Programs/Pages/AutoRe... These rules are draconian. "[Prohibited if conducted] outside a fully enclosed garage or accessory structure and resulting in the vehicle being inoperable for a period in excess of 24 hours." On the other hand, if you're rich enough to live there, you're probably rich enough to have a large enough enclosure where you can skirt the law anyway.

It's even worse than that. Major repairs are prohibited even in a fully enclosed garage. Minor repairs are prohibited in a great many cases as well. If I use a torque wrench to reinstall my wheels (even in a garage), I'm in violation. If I change the brakes on a friend's or girlfriend's car (even in a garage), I'm in violation. If I plug a flat tire for a neighbor or a passing motorist in my garage, I'm in violation.…

Stupid question and probably tangential at this point, but: Torque wrenches aren't commonly found in people's homes?
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