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Re: Gnome 40

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Post by ceronman »

I would like to thank the Gnome community for this release! I can't wait to upgrade to Fedora 34 to use it.

I use Mac OS daily on my work computer and Gnome daily on my personal computer. Yes, I know there are a lot of Linux open source applications that are not very polished, but the quality in Gnome and its core applications is extremely high. There are even some things that Gnome does better than Mac OS.

Now, you might not like Gnome and that's perfectly fine. Fortunately, Linux is the land of choice and there is an alternative for every person. It baffles me to come here and read so much negativity! Come on! this is a big milestone for a community that has been working a lot to bring you something of quality for free! They have been doing this for decades already and they have put a lot of effort and love into this. How many open source projects fail to abandonment after just a few months?

Why is it that so many people in internet communities such as HN can't take a minute to appreciate the effort and instead the only thing that they are motivated to do is to nit-pick something and trash. Criticism is always welcome, there are even some appropriate channels to do it, but seriously why is this the only thing that you are able to say about a community driven product? Why is there only space for negativity? Why not a small "thanks" or "I liked that feature" before your criticism? They are bringing this thing for you for free, why can't you at least say something nice?

Re: Gnome 40

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Post by Zren »

Is Meta+Alt+Left/Right a new standard? Last I recall was Ctrl+Alt+Left/Right in Gnome2 days (which is what I have configured it to in KDE).

Re: Gnome 40

#113

Post by ufo »

Dig1t wrote: post #70

This looks really cool, but how do I get it? Is it out yet? The page is pretty unclear.

It should eventually trickle down to the various Linux distributions. I'm waiting for Fedora 34, which is just around the corner.

Re: Gnome 40

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Post by amelius »

hedora wrote: post #32

Have they fixed the file chooser yet? Specifically, I want to be able to click around on directories to choose where to save a file, type the file name, then press enter. This should save the file, not filter the directory listing. Also, I don’t want it to default to overwriting some file I saved last week.

Also, the file chooser should show previews, like in Nautilus.

Re: Gnome 40

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Post by 411111111111111 »

oshanz wrote: post #105

GNOME has no thumbnails in the file picker https://jayfax.neocities.org/mediocrity/gnome-has-no-thumbna...

i dont even remember the last time i used a file picker to select a picture on a desktop......

i couldn't care less about this "issue", which supposedly shows that desktop linux is a "joke". he's not really convincing.

(it would be a nice to have feature, yes. but his reaction is way overblown)

> This is why Free desktop operating systems are a joke and haven’t been popularly adopted [...] GtkFileChooser remains broken

Re: Gnome 40

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Post by hollerith »

dasweffar wrote: post #79
hedora wrote: post #32

Have they fixed the file chooser yet? Specifically, I want to be able to click around on directories to choose where to save a file, type the file name, then press enter. This should save the file, not filter the directory listing. Also, I don’t want it to default to overwriting some file I saved last week.

I've lurked on HN for more than a decade but created an account to concur with this comment. Accidentally filtering for folders (who even wants this) instead of typing a filename is truly awful and affects me daily. I would bail on gnome for this issue alone if I didn't have to use it on a work machine. Does anyone know of an issue in their tracker with an official stance on it?

>I would bail on gnome for this issue alone if I didn't have to use it on a work machine.

Both Google Chrome and Firefox use GTK's file picker (at least when "saving link as..." at least on Fedora 34 Prerelease) so what would you do for a web browser?

Re: Gnome 40

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Post by MarkyC4 »

dasweffar wrote: post #79
hedora wrote: post #32

Have they fixed the file chooser yet? Specifically, I want to be able to click around on directories to choose where to save a file, type the file name, then press enter. This should save the file, not filter the directory listing. Also, I don’t want it to default to overwriting some file I saved last week.

I've lurked on HN for more than a decade but created an account to concur with this comment. Accidentally filtering for folders (who even wants this) instead of typing a filename is truly awful and affects me daily. I would bail on gnome for this issue alone if I didn't have to use it on a work machine. Does anyone know of an issue in their tracker with an official stance on it?

Probably something like[1]:

Because of the release of GNOME $next, and the lack of interest in maintainership of GNOME $prev, the gnome-core product is being closed. If you feel your bug is still of relevance to GNOME $next, please reopen it and refile it against a more appropriate component. Thanks...

[1] adapted from: https://www.jwz.org/doc/cadt.html

Re: Gnome 40

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Post by vetinari »

ogre_codes wrote: post #81
reader_mode wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Gnome is just one part of the story - the gnome shell was always decent looking and had good themes. But the apps and the ecosystem really is ugly, messy and inconsistent. For example if you look at the controls you got with GTK out of the box in GTK3 era (when I last tried to build something with it) I remember huge paddings, unintuitive UX (the GTK file picker is the worst I've used) and poor layout controls. Go ch…

Unfortunately, it feels like everything is turning into what Linux was 10 years ago. MacOS is better, but the increasing dominance of Electron and Java apps which bring their own UIs into whatever eco-system they encounter is very frustrating. If you are stuck running MS apps on the Mac, they are their own micro-cosm as well.

This was always the case: MS Office used its own widgets since about 1995 on both platforms; Adobe has their own UI controls, and even Apple used custom/dark themes and controls for their pro apps since about forever.

The current state of Apple App Store app is just the cherry on the top.

Re: Gnome 40

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Post by dsego »

naranha wrote: post #41

I was a bit sceptical, but I have to say that the horizontal workspaces work pretty well. Working with GNOME 40 is both efficient and aesthetically pleasing. And as a side note performance is much better too on Fedora 34.

> the horizontal workspaces work pretty well

Like on all the other desktops?

Re: Gnome 40

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Post by tasuki »

mixedCase wrote: post #43
AshamedCaptain wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And when Gtk4 inevitably happens, or the gnome-shell toolkit is changed again, breaking about all the gnome-shell extensions, we'll just call it Gnome X.

Gtk4 already happened. Not sure if Gnome apps to it, however, but I'm pretty sure they'll just break extensions as they've always done. Most use internal APIs AFAIK after all, so they're designed to break.

> pretty sure they'll just break extensions as they've always done

This is so frustrating! They never stop! I don't care for any of the new features, I just want things to continue working!

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