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'Do Not Split': A Hong Kong protest film [video]

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Post by dumb1224 »

tablespoon wrote: post #180
dumb1224 wrote: post #162

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm really skeptical that's true.... Winnie the Pooh is such a popular theme in products in China, I've never heard anything remotely close to such a ban....

> I'm really skeptical that's true.... Winnie the Pooh is such a popular theme in products in China, I've never heard anything remotely close to such a ban.... IIRC, it's not a general ban, it's just censored from social media, probably by official directive. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/aug/07/china-bans-win...

Well it's definitely not censored on social media: https://s.weibo.com/weibo?q=%E7%BB%B4%E5%B0%BC%E7%86%8A&wvr=...

Even if it was slightly true it must have been incredibly insignificant hence my skepticism.

My point is that we could leave out a bit of noise as it is very easy to come across misunderstanding already.

Re: 'Do Not Split': A Hong Kong protest film [video]

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Post by Der_Einzige »

bosswipe wrote: post #182
Aunche wrote: post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Again, complete hearsay that China is supporting the military coup. They had good relations with incumbent government due to the belt and road initiative.

CCP saw democracy in Burma as the West gaining influence in the region.

Which was correct - given that democratic Burma was a crown jewel of Obama's Asian Pivot.

Re: 'Do Not Split': A Hong Kong protest film [video]

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Post by gonehome »

dumb1224 wrote: post #191
tablespoon wrote: post #180

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I'm really skeptical that's true.... Winnie the Pooh is such a popular theme in products in China, I've never heard anything remotely close to such a ban.... IIRC, it's not a general ban, it's just censored from social media, probably by official directive. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/aug/07/china-bans-win...

Well it's definitely not censored on social media: https://s.weibo.com/weibo?q=%E7%BB%B4%E5%B0%BC%E7%86%8A&wvr=... Even if it was slightly true it must have been incredibly insignificant hence my skepticism. My point is that we could leave out a bit of noise as it is very easy to come across misunderstanding already.

It's not noise - the censors drop specific comms over time when there's focus.

When the Pooh meme was happening if you tried sending it the receiver would never get it.

Now that it has died down it's no longer a focus (though I'm still unsure if that image would be received). The same thing happens around certain events (Tiananmen Square Anniversary) where they get more extreme about the censorship.

The fact that they applied the censors to the Pooh meme shows that they'll do it for even the mildest 'threat'.

Re: 'Do Not Split': A Hong Kong protest film [video]

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Post by dang »

chinathrow1029 wrote: post #127
gonehome wrote: post #116

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I mean they censored Winnie the Pooh because of light hearted comparisons between Pooh and Xi (that were arguably positive). [0][1] Once you're doing that, pretty much anything is going to clear that bar. [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xi_Jinping#Censorship [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Band_in_China

Also, here’s a video of The Many Adventures of Winnie the Pooh ride in Shanghai Disneyland: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=338iWj670N4

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Re: 'Do Not Split': A Hong Kong protest film [video]

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Post by selectodude »

chinathrow1029 wrote: post #120
system16 wrote: post #25

The CPC propaganda department has ordered its local media to stagger the Oscars this year and downplay the event because this documentary short was nominated. https://variety.com/2021/film/asia/china-tells-media-stagger... I watched it recently and thought it didn't go nearly far enough in highlighting the abuses by the HK police, and even glossed over or omitted some very important events that triggered the continue…

American viewership of the Golden Globe awards sank to a new record low this year (likely the same will hold true of the Oscars) [1]. What percentage of Chinese mainlanders do you think watch American awards shows? [1] https://www.cnn.com/2021/03/02/entertainment/golden-globe-ra...

Percentage? Not many. But as an absolute number? Probably the same number that watched them in the United States.

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Post by jkingsbery »

beckman466 wrote: post #137
system16 wrote: post #25

The CPC propaganda department has ordered its local media to stagger the Oscars this year and downplay the event because this documentary short was nominated. https://variety.com/2021/film/asia/china-tells-media-stagger... I watched it recently and thought it didn't go nearly far enough in highlighting the abuses by the HK police, and even glossed over or omitted some very important events that triggered the continue…

> The fragility of the CPC and its fear in being portrayed in any negative light knows no limits. The fragility of American imperialism and its fear in being portrayed in any negative light knows no limits. That’s why they focus on creating propaganda like this. I’ve liked some Field of Vision stuff before (shining a light on content moderation practices on Silicon Valley social media platforms), yet this feels part…

> The fragility of American imperialism and its fear in being portrayed in any negative light knows no limits.

This is 100% unarguably, demonstrably false. Americans write books critical about American imperialism (https://www.amazon.com/Imperial-Cruise-Secret-History-Empire...), we make (and fund with public broadcasting money!) documentaries that criticize both the effectiveness and wisdom of our own military efforts (https://www.pbs.org/kenburns/the-vietnam-war/). Most US media has been very critical of recent military efforts. These are just a few examples.

Is the US perfect? No. Are there examples of it the US behaving in a way that makes its citizens less than proud? Yes. But there is a wide gulf between the US and the CCP and what one can get away with saying and doing in the US vs. what one can say or do under CCP control.

Re: 'Do Not Split': A Hong Kong protest film [video]

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Post by varispeed »

president wrote: post #63
varispeed wrote: post #48

Western politicians are looking up to their Chinese friends with awe. They feel sheer excitement when they think how much power Chinese government wields. They don't particularly like the concentration camps or child labour (although for sure their rich mates would love to have free labour on tap), but social scoring? Playing Sim City with real human lives? Yes please, sign me up! That's why you don't see anything do…

It's a fundamental issue of the kind of people who will do whatever it takes to have power over others. You meet plenty of people like this that work in corporations stepping on others and backstabbing to get promoted or get that raise.

Exactly this - Chinese people are not fundamentally different from us. We have more or less the same desires or worries and the same type of people usually come to power. Politicians of all sides always wanted to exert a degree of control over the society and today's technology finally can make it happen. There is no way they'll pass on such opportunity. It is taking small steps - they start with the control of money - the equivalents of IRS have live access to individuals and corporation bank accounts. Then you have promotion of cashless society. Once they'll get control over your means to eat, they'll take on controlling behaviours. It's going downhill.

Re: 'Do Not Split': A Hong Kong protest film [video]

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Post by ISL »

lxe wrote: post #90

This is the kind of content I'd like to see less of on Hacker News. > Off-Topic: Most stories about politics, or crime, or sports, unless they're evidence of some interesting new phenomenon. Videos of pratfalls or disasters, or cute animal pictures. If they'd cover it on TV news, it's probably off-topic. There are other platforms (Reddit) where there's plenty of discussion around topics like this. Not to say that HN…

The suppression of democracy is something I'd like to see less of globally.

Perhaps the strongest argument in favor of leaving it up on Hacker News is that free speech is essential to both Hacking and News.

I hadn't known that such a film had drawn an Oscar nomination nor that the country had attempted to suppress news of the nomination within the mainland.

We may disagree here, but if wholesale suppression of the democratic rights of 7.5 million people living in the first world continues to be advanced, I'd contend that it isn't getting enough discussion.

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Post by systemvoltage »

Twaway45609 wrote: post #189
jonathannat wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Difference: US riot - citizens who enjoy democratic freedom protested against republic/democratic government. protest got violent, government handled it. Hong Kong riot - citizens who enjoy(ed) democratic freedom protested against encroaching dictatorship. protest was peaceful, but then turned violent when police faking as protestors started violence. protest got violent, government handled it (openly and in secret).…

I think the main difference is that the chinese would not dare to dock their aircraft carrier in new york, while the US did so to provoke the chinese communust party in hong kong. This is all about american interests and destabilizing china ir other countries. I wonder what will happen in q few years. Will americans accept that another super power will dictate them what to do like the US currently does to their allie…

> I think the main difference is that the chinese would not dare to dock their aircraft carrier in new york, while the US did so to provoke the chinese communust party in hong kong.

This is a tiring argument. China has only 1 ally - North Korea. The rest of the countries in the proximity of China are adversarial and aligned with US - Japan, SK particularly. If Canada and Mexico were close allies of China, you betchya there would be a lot more going on along the east and west coast of US.

In fact, Japan and SK are counting on US to defend them. Does Canada and Mexico have such relationship with China? No. Instead, the US+Canada have NORAD.

I suggest some reading regarding military alliances: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_military_alliances

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