Richard Stallman is coming back to the board of the FSF

Post by nske » Wed, Mar 24, 2021, 5:07 PM UTC

kelnos wrote: post #389

bsder wrote: post #270

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Okay. I think your statements indicate you are a jerk. Do I now suddenly get to punish you? Do I get to go to your boss and try to get him to fire you? See the problem?

I mean... yes? That's exactly what you do? The boss is presumably a rational human being and can decide if your complaints have merit or not. If you personally are in a position to punish someone who you believe is a jerk, then yeah, you'll probably punish them, because that's just how social interaction works.

Post by [deleted] » Wed, Mar 24, 2021, 5:50 PM UTC

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The worst part is that the blog post that started a lot of that literally quoted RMS one sentence and the rephrased it as something completely different in the very next sentence. And nobody called them out for it. He basically just said "Minsky may not have known because Epstein most likely forced the girl into acting as if her was willing" (paraphrased from memory) and it got turned into "RMS said the girl was will…

What Stallman said verbatim: >The word “assaulting” presumes that he applied force or violence, in some unspecified way, but the article itself says no such thing. Only that they had sex. >We can imagine many scenarios, but the most plausible scenario is that she presented herself to him as entirely willing. Assuming she was being coerced by Epstein, he would have had every reason to tell her to conceal that from mos…

Post by blagie » Wed, Mar 24, 2021, 6:02 PM UTC

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blagie wrote: post #538

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You're completely confused. What constitutes the right thing is specific to culture. Culture a lot of components (nationality/ethnicity, professional culture, neurodiversity, etc.). You're imposing your value system on Richard. You're being called on it, and you're doubling down, which is exactly what you fault Richard for. Two posts in, you should know better. From within Richard's cultural frame, he's doing the rig…

Last I checked Mr. Stallman was working primarily in the western/American situation and isn't abiding by those standards by respecting other people's right to be female and not verbally abused, amongst other situations. So why is okay for him to abuse the "culture" which by the way will also get you fired from just about any place that I've worked or kicked out of any group I've worked in.

Post by wrycoder » Wed, Mar 24, 2021, 6:43 PM UTC

visitor1 wrote: post #755

wrycoder wrote: post #718

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Those who read the extensive threads back in 2019 will remember that Minsky, at the time, commented to one of his associates about the interaction with the young woman. That’s how Stallman heard of it. And, further, there is no evidence that Minsky took any further action relative to her. Quite the contrary - he seemed bemused by the situation. Some of the discussion in these threads strongly implies that Minsky had…

Source please?

Post by wizzwizz4 » Wed, Mar 24, 2021, 7:09 PM UTC

gizmo686 wrote: post #206

Avshalom wrote: post #172

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I know a lot of autistic people and they're all scrupulously kind and emotionally intelligent. The idea that autistic people are assholes is an artifact of every other gamer on the internet self diagnosing themselves with aspergers in the 00s and then using that as an excuse to be un-introspectively cruel to each other.

Diagnosed asperg here; would probably be autistic if I got diagnosed today. If I appear scrupulously kind to you, it is because I am compensating. If I appear emotionally intelligent to you, it is because I had to learn what is literally instinct to most people. At least for me, I am able to compensate effectively and pass in most social situations, but it is exhausting. When I read RMS's writing that lead to the con…