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They Just Moved to Austin. Now They Want to End One of Its Traditions

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Re: They Just Moved to Austin. Now They Want to End One of Its Traditions

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Post by lacker »

burnte wrote: post #380
chmod600 wrote: post #287

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"They moved into a community and it’s their job to integrate with the community." Is that a broadly-accepted opinion? Does it apply consistently to all cultures -- e.g. does it apply when nonwhites move into a white area? And, does it reflect reality? Do new populations really preserve the prexisting culture in practice?

You don't get to complain about the smell of manure if you move in right next to a farm. Know what you're getting into when you move, don't expect the surrounding community to change to suit you, regardless of race.

The difference is, it's legal for a farm to smell like manure. They do say in the article that the car club is breaking several laws. So it's more a case of, for a long time the cops haven't enforced the laws here, but now the new residents want the laws to be enforced.

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Post by Decade »

clipradiowallet wrote: post #391
lotsofpulp wrote: post #387

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If rents start increasing, then investors will build new housing. All the city has to do is approve the permits. >Take from the people who produce much, and give to the people who produce less? Maybe? Depends if you want to avoid this situation: https://i.pinimg.com/originals/77/8f/07/778f07ec78b997b4f218...

Is this difficult, getting approval? I don't live in a large city where the idea of building permits really comes into mind, so I don't have much experience in what could be involved there. For some contrast, I live in the "rural" US, my home is surrounded on 4 sides by farm fields as far as you can see. This is like peering into an alien bureaucracy for me.

Difficult? Yes, a billion times yes.

Most of the stress on land comes from exclusionary laws. People with power don’t want poorer people (and especially people of another race) to live near them—attributing their success to their efforts and labeling their own servants as parasites[1] and deadbeats—and pass laws that make housing affordability impossible. Thus, people need to drive long distances to jobs and live in disinvested communities in order to participate in regional economies.

The worst offenders are actually not cities, but the inner suburbs surrounding cities. Cities are filled with guilty settlers who want to help less fortunate people but are unable to let go of the systems of power, while their suburbs are usually created for the purpose of segregation and repeatedly reaffirm their desire for segregation.[2]

[1] https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/272/365/

[2] https://www.greenbelt.org/blog/vote-no-on-measure-y-to-provi...

Re: They Just Moved to Austin. Now They Want to End One of Its Traditions

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Post by wing-_-nuts »

sneak wrote: post #410
wing-_-nuts wrote: post #365

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This is one of the most insane comments I've seen on hacker news. Police are there to enforce the law. The only reason they have guns is to defend themselves or the lives of others. If I ask you to turn down your music at night, and you refuse, it's not legal for me to enforce noise ordinances myself, so I call the people who do such things for a living.

> Police are there to enforce the law. When I see statements like this I wonder if we experienced the same 2020.

I still haven't seen what your suggested course of action is?

Alright, let's say I have a neighbor playing loud music at 2am. I walk down, ask nicely if they'd turn it down. They ignore me. What then? What am I supposed to do from that point?

Re: They Just Moved to Austin. Now They Want to End One of Its Traditions

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Post by sneak »

wing-_-nuts wrote: post #413
sneak wrote: post #410

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Police are there to enforce the law. When I see statements like this I wonder if we experienced the same 2020.

I still haven't seen what your suggested course of action is? Alright, let's say I have a neighbor playing loud music at 2am. I walk down, ask nicely if they'd turn it down. They ignore me. What then? What am I supposed to do from that point?

You seem to feel your options are escalate to violence (or the implied threat of same) by calling the cops, or just deal with the loud music.

I personally am with Asimov: violence is the last refuge of the incompetent. It has little to do with whether you employ the violence/threat yourself, or call a man with a gun over to do it for you.

The correct course of action in almost all circumstances is "do nothing".

There are some good reasons to escalate a situation. I'm not of the belief that a noise disturbance is one of them.

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Post by roflchoppa »

renewiltord wrote: post #144
roflchoppa wrote: post #73

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must be related to the idiots that build their home next to Laguna Seca.

But those guys won, right? They got to shut down most activities there.

There’s a sound limit on the track, I think the decibel sensor is on the right side of turns 4-5. And you get 3 strikes or your out policy if you are over.

People make some interesting exhausts just for this track.

https://images.autotrader.com/scaler/620/420/cms/images/over...

Thunder hill has a similar policy but they move the Sensor around...

Re: They Just Moved to Austin. Now They Want to End One of Its Traditions

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Post by res0nat0r »

airhead969 wrote: post #175

To be fair, I'm a middle-aged white engineer raised in San Jose, CA relocated to ATX in Dec 2020. I live at the corner of I-35 east-side frontage and 5th in a mega apartment complex. I've tried meeting many of my neighbors and most are asocial/antisocial. There are 2 women roommates and an African-American kid who are legit cool that I've met so far. Also, I don't even know the people across the hall. My conclusion f…

I live on East 6th st too and the neighbors here in my complex seem the same. I did meet some folks during the power outage since everyone came together to make sure we would all survive the week and helped some neighbors apartment which was flooding, but everyone is younger and in their 20s and aren't overly friendly.

I've really met random nicer people when I go out and drink on 6th st who happen to be coming thru town, or random more friendly folks who happen to chat with strangers out when eating/drinking, or when going to shows (before COVID wrecked that) around town by myself.

Re: They Just Moved to Austin. Now They Want to End One of Its Traditions

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Post by chmod600 »

burnte wrote: post #380
chmod600 wrote: post #287

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"They moved into a community and it’s their job to integrate with the community." Is that a broadly-accepted opinion? Does it apply consistently to all cultures -- e.g. does it apply when nonwhites move into a white area? And, does it reflect reality? Do new populations really preserve the prexisting culture in practice?

You don't get to complain about the smell of manure if you move in right next to a farm. Know what you're getting into when you move, don't expect the surrounding community to change to suit you, regardless of race.

But people do exactly that all the time. And often they win, at least over time and with great enough numbers.

Re: They Just Moved to Austin. Now They Want to End One of Its Traditions

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Post by Decade »

lotsofpulp wrote: post #217
JeremyNT wrote: post #164

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"Don't hate the player, hate the game." It's almost a tautology that only long term residents are around long enough to feel the negative effects of gentrification directly. I've been in my home for 15 years and only in the last 5 or so have I come to really understand what this trend has done to the community. My initial response to the current wave of millionaire neighbors is to resent the gentrifiers with all that…

> The system we have created around real estate and home ownership is optimized to erode culture and atomize community. We like to pretend that this is somehow inevitable, the will of the market, but we need to own it - this is the world we have built for ourselves. How is it not the will of the market? I don’t see any option other than to limit people’s freedom to move about the city/state/country.

It’s not the will of the market because the people with power pass laws to funnel resources even more to people with power.

https://www.epi.org/publication/the-color-of-law-a-forgotten...

When we have developers building luxury condos amidst squalor, that’s a second-order effect of policies intended to create such contrasts. The market is constrained by the laws.

Re: They Just Moved to Austin. Now They Want to End One of Its Traditions

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Post by LoathsLights »

chrisco255 wrote: post #131
Bukhmanizer wrote: post #86

There are ways that people talk about gentrification that always makes me slightly uncomfortable. As a non-white person, something always feels like gentrification is something that “good” white people like to blame “bad” white people for doing, when the real problem tends to be wider and more systemic. In this particular instance I find myself asking why it matters that the Weaver residents were originally not from…

I think people abhor change in general. I grew up in Florida, and local Floridians hated the retirees and snowbirds moving in. Former rural communities with orange groves and cow pastures were replaced with massive planned communities that altered the character and culture of the area. The Austin-Statesman noted that people in Austin have been complaining about change in the city since at least 1884: "A few years hen…

> people in Austin have been complaining about change in the city since at least 1884

It's not like the rich screwing over the poor is a new thing

Re: They Just Moved to Austin. Now They Want to End One of Its Traditions

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Post by serial_dev »

wan23 wrote: post #406
whack wrote: post #355

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> With that said, I think there are legitimate criticisms about the car club. For one, they absolutely trash the place every Sunday. When I walk down to the lake on Monday, there’s just tons of trash on the ground. I don’t know who picks it up but it’s certainly not the car club. Also, doing burnouts and donuts on public streets sounds fun but it leaves the road covered in tire rubber and I imagine it smells awful wh…

We supposedly live in a democracy, but the ability to affect what laws exist is not distributed equally. Sometimes there are two groups with opposing views of what the law should be, and the smaller group loses out. Oftentimes those people gather together in a place and have the local law enforcement disregard the law in their area. For example, pot is legal in Colorado even though it's illegal in the United States a…

> the residents of this neighborhood don't want the noise ordinance to be enforced, and they have been just fine with the way things have been going for decades

Or maybe the silent majority of the old residents actually agree with the new people, except they already got tired of trying to enforce those rules, being ignored? That's just as likely in my opinion.

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