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Re: PinePhone – Beta Edition Linux SmartPhone Preorder

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I'm disappointed that they don't support LTE Band 48. Band 48 (CBRS) provides a relatively easy way to run your own LTE network for testing or whatever. Commercial eNBs are sub $1k, and you can spin up an open source EPC in an evening, config your own SIM cards, etc.

Are you saying it's ok to run base stations in that band without a license? A quick search isn't showing me much.

Re: PinePhone – Beta Edition Linux SmartPhone Preorder

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This one supports OpenGL ES 3: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Librem_5 .

Yeah but it's $800!

I guess you cannot expect from such a niche phone to compete with mass market products on price. That said, it's obviously a very individual decision if there's even a practical need for it.

Re: PinePhone – Beta Edition Linux SmartPhone Preorder

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post #179

I'm sorry... maybe I'm missing something here. Hasn't this 'phone' been in the news for over 2 years?

Before it was the community editions, now it's the beta edition produced in a large quantity but still the same performance.

I have the community edition and I asked myself the same question. A performance boost would have been nice. I would love and pay to have a better performance some day.

Re: PinePhone – Beta Edition Linux SmartPhone Preorder

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China is a capitalist state in all but name.

I'm beginning to think the whole "capitalist"/"communist" dialectic is meant to make people think there's a "capitalist" economic system or a "communist" economic system, whereas when the communists get control they make a "state capitalist" or "party capitalist" system that looks much like "capitalism" except it has a severely authoritarian political system (which everyone is told is a symptom of "capitalism.") In o…

If you read Das Kapital the only logical conclusion to draw is that this will eventually happen. Marx said something along the lines of capitalism will eat everything including itself. Communism cannot survive in a world where capitalism is active.

Re: PinePhone – Beta Edition Linux SmartPhone Preorder

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Financial incentives redirect labour from useful to profitable activities.

you cannot possibly be postulating that profitable activities can never be considered useful, are you?

I do not see OP stating that "useful" and "profitable" are mutually exclusive. I think it is widely understood that there is "usefulness" that is not satisfied by profit driven organisations, that is why we have non-profits and public institutions.

Re: PinePhone – Beta Edition Linux SmartPhone Preorder

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I've had the pinephone from the start and while I've seen great progress in general in getting this closer to being a daily driver, I feel a lot of effort has been made getting various orthogonal distributions/stacks ported to this platform which I feel is fracturing the ecosystem. I'm by no means a mobile app developer but if I wanted to dabble in making a small app, I'd be confused which stack to use and which dist…

For the PinePhone they have chosen to bundle Manjaro and Plasma Mobile. So that would seem to be the distro to focus on as an app developer...

"Today we are very pleased to announce that the PinePhone will ship with Plasma Mobile on a Manjaro ARM base from this point on."

https://www.pine64.org/2021/02/15/february-update-show-and-t...

Re: PinePhone – Beta Edition Linux SmartPhone Preorder

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I see this comment every time something about the PinePhone is announced, but considering that this is more of a tinkering project and not so much an actual product I just don't see how relevant this is. You are not buying a Pixel 4, you are buying something that still needs a lot of work.

Its a phone you can purchase from their website that they will send to you. The purchasing process is exactly the same as buying a galaxy s21. If companies could just say "this is an unfinished product" to get around mandatory warranties, everyone would do it. PinePhone should not be exempt because they are selling what they call a beta product.

This would effectively kill devices like PinePhone, because they wouldn't be able to test the product in development with the community. Is that really the desirable outcome?

It's not like we're talking about some kind of small print in the EULA here, either. It's prominently plastered all across the website, and during the ordering process.

Re: PinePhone – Beta Edition Linux SmartPhone Preorder

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China is a capitalist state in all but name.

I'm beginning to think the whole "capitalist"/"communist" dialectic is meant to make people think there's a "capitalist" economic system or a "communist" economic system, whereas when the communists get control they make a "state capitalist" or "party capitalist" system that looks much like "capitalism" except it has a severely authoritarian political system (which everyone is told is a symptom of "capitalism.") In o…

The root problem is that redistributive systems are inherently coercive. If your system has money and commerce of any kind, more money will end up in some hands than others.

I'm not making a fundamental judgement on this, all laws are coercive in some sense, capitalist systems often have redistributive features, taxes and such.

However redistribution in the extreme and complete sense in communism is often characterised in utopian terms. From each according to their ability, to each according to their need. That's a fine sentiment, but it entails an awful lot of systematic and thorough coercion, and the virtual elimination of freedom in the distribution and use of capital, or in fact property or resources of any kind. This is why we keep getting the "no true scotsman" complaint that criticisms of communism are invalid because they are never 'real' communism. That doesn't account for the coercive and prescriptive nature of a thoroughgoing redistributive system run by a bureaucratic elite. Since they need the authority to redistribute all resources, they need effectively unlimited power. That's why they keep ending up becoming so corrupt.

To the extent that socialist systems retain any freedom in the use, exchange and accumulation of money, they become correspondingly capitalist. Hence communism with 'Chinese' (read capitalist) characteristics.

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