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They Just Moved to Austin. Now They Want to End One of Its Traditions

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Re: They Just Moved to Austin. Now They Want to End One of Its Traditions

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Post by setr »

> One particularly vocal tenant, a non-Hispanic white woman with short blond hair who appeared to be in her fifties, claimed that smoke from the tires was killing nearby trees and that traffic from the gathering would make it impossible for an ambulance to reach her in the event of a medical emergency

Why is this woman so uniquely and thickly qualified

“A non-white black man with a thick black curly hair who appeared to be in his early 20s claimed he didn’t like the non-hispanic white woman with short blonde hair who appeared in her early 50s who claimed the smoke killed trees “

Re: They Just Moved to Austin. Now They Want to End One of Its Traditions

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Post by Aloha »

failwhaleshark wrote: post #305
Aloha wrote: post #216

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Very much agree!! I live in a working class neighborhood in the DFW area, it's much more friendly than the wealthy complex I was in, in WA

Damn, that could be my problem too. Maybe I should move. Frighted/anxious, people-avoiding, phone addict, "let's do lunch" and exchange phone numbers but never call yuppies are such wastes of space. They should be called "nopeies." The metroplex has an awesome music scene too!

I'm in a complex right by the centreport train station, it's across the street from it and a little east. It's a great but older complex, well maintained with a decent office staff. There is a nice community here.

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Post by LudwigNagasena »

xupybd wrote: post #107
chrisco255 wrote: post #5

"The new arrivals have forced many Black residents to move out of the city: In 2000, about 10 percent of the Austin’s 656,000 residents were Black. By 2017, that percentage had dropped to around 7.5" Well, article definitely commits a statistical fallacy there. Austin is one of the fastest growing cities, especially from 2000-2017 period. The fact that the percentage went down (from 9.5 to 7.5), while the city's popu…

It's also a silly point to dwell on. Black people are not being forced out, less affluent people are. While it's valid to be against the gentrification of a neighborhood. We should not conflate it with other issues. There is a real problem, and that is black people are under represented in the upper classes. If you fix that problem this one goes away. If you try to keep the black percentage high in this area without…

You know who is less represented in the upper class than black people? Poor people. If you fix that problem this one goes away.

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Post by [deleted] »

treis wrote: post #294
pdabbadabba wrote: post #268

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It seems like this comment is based on either an incorrect image of how this conversation ought to go, or a problematic prior about how inclined one's neighbor might be to violent retaliation. In most cases, I'd suggest mitigating this risk through your style of interaction, not your initial choice about how to interact at all. GP was just suggesting a normal human interaction. If "retaliation" is a risk after your i…

The asshole blaring music and doing burnouts is very unlikely to respond positively to a suggestion they stop doing that. If they were reasonable people and considerate of others they wouldn't be doing that in the first place. I suspect that if you polled the long term residents of the area they would have similar negative perceptions of the car club. It's just that they don't have the power to effect change or don't…

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Post by lotsofpulp »

bobthechef wrote: post #359
undefined1 wrote: post #317

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exactly. the elites couldn't be happier about the discourse being diverted away from the real issues. instead they have everyone caught up in a moral panic over melanin and identity. https://i.imgur.com/wusW5Rn.jpg

Sowing artificial conflict among the plebes is a tried and true technique.

The surprising thing to me is that in previous eras the plebes didn’t have access to data or education or literacy to maybe realize this, but what is the plebe’s excuse nowadays? Only one I can come up with is many of the plebe’s think they’re eventually going to not be plebes.

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Post by brundolf »

adjkant wrote: post #106
brundolf wrote: post #90

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Similar feelings here. I simply don't know where else to go; it seems like every nice-to-live-in medium-sized city that isn't SF is going through this same song and dance. Money comes in like a flock of locusts, consumes the city, and SF is one of the first examples we're seeing of the husk that gets left behind. Then they move on to the next one. Where's a person supposed to lay down roots, without retreating deep i…

Odd answer, but go to the megacities that show resilience and are building housing. In the US, so far that may only be NYC. I know that's not amazing to hear if you have other reservations about NYC, but I think it's the reality until mid-sized cities catch on and get their shit together. The other answer IMO is to pick a city no one in tech is even thinking about, and the growth rate is expected to be slow. Not to j…

Yeah, I have casually looked towards San Antonio and even Waco. The problem with the "look where nobody's looking yet" angle is that you're potentially just kicking the can down the road. In 10 years when "the market catches up" it'll be back to square one. Perhaps you'll have equity by that point, but that'll be the only difference.

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Post by [deleted] »

harles wrote: post #309
chmod600 wrote: post #287

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"They moved into a community and it’s their job to integrate with the community." Is that a broadly-accepted opinion? Does it apply consistently to all cultures -- e.g. does it apply when nonwhites move into a white area? And, does it reflect reality? Do new populations really preserve the prexisting culture in practice?

Requiring cultural integration is a slippery slope.

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Post by howinator »

chmod600 wrote: post #287
howinator wrote: post #238

I live in this neighborhood, about three blocks north of where the car club meets. I’m white. I’m a homeowner. You get the picture. Honestly, these people complaining in Weaver sound insane. They moved into a community and it’s their job to integrate with the community. We have a Brit who lives on my street that does community organizing and he’s been wonderful about building a sense of community that integrates the…

"They moved into a community and it’s their job to integrate with the community." Is that a broadly-accepted opinion? Does it apply consistently to all cultures -- e.g. does it apply when nonwhites move into a white area? And, does it reflect reality? Do new populations really preserve the prexisting culture in practice?

This is way more nuanced than a HN comment could ever express, but my opinion is that this situation is a two-way street. The people moving in need to adapt to the neighborhood while the long-term residents need to adapt to the changes happening around them. The key though is that it needs to be a smooth, fluid transition that involves gives and takes on both sides.

I don't think calling the cops and asking them to "shut it down" is a productive way for driving change in the community at all.

Also, completely selfishly, those kinds of actions give the gentrifiers who respect the Tejano community and traditions a bad rap. I really don't want to get to a point where all the long-term residents paint all the newcomers with a broad brush because of the Weaver people. At the beginning of Covid, newcomers were helping elderly long-term residents and vice-versa, but if crap like this keeps happening, those bonds are going to be strained.

Re: They Just Moved to Austin. Now They Want to End One of Its Traditions

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Post by howinator »

cactus2093 wrote: post #339
howinator wrote: post #238

I live in this neighborhood, about three blocks north of where the car club meets. I’m white. I’m a homeowner. You get the picture. Honestly, these people complaining in Weaver sound insane. They moved into a community and it’s their job to integrate with the community. We have a Brit who lives on my street that does community organizing and he’s been wonderful about building a sense of community that integrates the…

> Also, doing burnouts and donuts on public streets sounds fun but it leaves the road covered in tire rubber and I imagine it smells awful while they’re doing it. I don't get why you've left out probably the most legitimate criticism of the practice, that it's quite dangerous. I don't know much about Austin, but in SF and Oakland people are killed fairly often in side shows, and often it's innocent bystanders.

Totally fair! It didn't dawn on me (though it should have) that this practice is a physical safety hazard - noted!

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Post by burnte »

chmod600 wrote: post #287
howinator wrote: post #238

I live in this neighborhood, about three blocks north of where the car club meets. I’m white. I’m a homeowner. You get the picture. Honestly, these people complaining in Weaver sound insane. They moved into a community and it’s their job to integrate with the community. We have a Brit who lives on my street that does community organizing and he’s been wonderful about building a sense of community that integrates the…

"They moved into a community and it’s their job to integrate with the community." Is that a broadly-accepted opinion? Does it apply consistently to all cultures -- e.g. does it apply when nonwhites move into a white area? And, does it reflect reality? Do new populations really preserve the prexisting culture in practice?

You don't get to complain about the smell of manure if you move in right next to a farm. Know what you're getting into when you move, don't expect the surrounding community to change to suit you, regardless of race.
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