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They Just Moved to Austin. Now They Want to End One of Its Traditions

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Post by ihsw »

LudwigNagasena wrote: post #300
howinator wrote: post #238

I live in this neighborhood, about three blocks north of where the car club meets. I’m white. I’m a homeowner. You get the picture. Honestly, these people complaining in Weaver sound insane. They moved into a community and it’s their job to integrate with the community. We have a Brit who lives on my street that does community organizing and he’s been wonderful about building a sense of community that integrates the…

So many words about race, nationality, community, white privilege and literally no mention of wealth, economic inequality or at least increased mobility of labour. This is what I “love” about modern American discourse.

Wealth and economic inequality are largely adjacent to or completely unrelated to culture.

Cultural incompatibility cannot be solved by economic solutions.

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Post by maybelsyrup »

chmod600 wrote: post #287
howinator wrote: post #238

I live in this neighborhood, about three blocks north of where the car club meets. I’m white. I’m a homeowner. You get the picture. Honestly, these people complaining in Weaver sound insane. They moved into a community and it’s their job to integrate with the community. We have a Brit who lives on my street that does community organizing and he’s been wonderful about building a sense of community that integrates the…

"They moved into a community and it’s their job to integrate with the community." Is that a broadly-accepted opinion? Does it apply consistently to all cultures -- e.g. does it apply when nonwhites move into a white area? And, does it reflect reality? Do new populations really preserve the prexisting culture in practice?

Relax. By "integrate", the OP clearly means things like "be a good neighbor" and "don't stomp around like you own the place" and "learn about the place you've just moved to" and not "submit" or "conform".

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Post by uncoder0 »

baud147258 wrote: post #312
bennysonething wrote: post #290

Why does the article mention race so much? What's race got to do with it?

it's a race to the bottom

Because the media doesn't want to draw attention to wealth inequality, it's pretty straight forward.

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Post by clipradiowallet »

LudwigNagasena wrote: post #300
howinator wrote: post #238

I live in this neighborhood, about three blocks north of where the car club meets. I’m white. I’m a homeowner. You get the picture. Honestly, these people complaining in Weaver sound insane. They moved into a community and it’s their job to integrate with the community. We have a Brit who lives on my street that does community organizing and he’s been wonderful about building a sense of community that integrates the…

So many words about race, nationality, community, white privilege and literally no mention of wealth, economic inequality or at least increased mobility of labour. This is what I “love” about modern American discourse.

What mentions do you think should have been there? I'm having trouble understanding if you are agreeing, disagreeing, or with the parent post. Could you elaborate?

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Post by caseysoftware »

chmod600 wrote: post #287
howinator wrote: post #238

I live in this neighborhood, about three blocks north of where the car club meets. I’m white. I’m a homeowner. You get the picture. Honestly, these people complaining in Weaver sound insane. They moved into a community and it’s their job to integrate with the community. We have a Brit who lives on my street that does community organizing and he’s been wonderful about building a sense of community that integrates the…

"They moved into a community and it’s their job to integrate with the community." Is that a broadly-accepted opinion? Does it apply consistently to all cultures -- e.g. does it apply when nonwhites move into a white area? And, does it reflect reality? Do new populations really preserve the prexisting culture in practice?

> Is that a broadly-accepted opinion? Does it apply consistently to all cultures -- e.g. does it apply when nonwhites move into a white area?

If you move to an area and expect everyone to adopt your norms, that's close to colonization or conquering.

Alternatively, how do you react to the new person on your team who insists you're doing everything wrong and should change to match their view of the world. "When in Rome, do like the Romans" is good for a variety of reasons.

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Post by lotsofpulp »

sneak wrote: post #297
wl wrote: post #274

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The risk of a confrontation escalating makes dealing with such things myself a very unattractive option, especially if it's a stranger. I've had a simple, polite request to turn down the thumping music at 1 AM end with me blocking punches, retreating to my unit, and calling the cops. Better to leave it to people who do such things professionally.

If you wouldn't come back with a gun yourself to resolve the issue, it's a dick move to call someone else (a cop) to come over with a gun. If you're making phone calls for armed response because someone is playing music, the problem might be with you.

It depends on the context. If someone lives in multi unit housing and repeatedly blasts music or does it at odd hours in the middle of the night, I would assume the probability of them being anti social and not conforming to expected behavior to be very high, such that I might feel more comfortable with police dealing with them.

If it’s a once in a while thing where they’re celebrating or whatnot and it sounds like they’re unintentionally disturbing others, then it’s probably worth talking to them.

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Post by Thrymr »

failwhaleshark wrote: post #319
buffet_overflow wrote: post #245

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can't help but wonder if a large part of this is the advice of "pick your battles, don't engage with others you disagree with, you're just wasting your energy" and similar being applied far too broadly.

In a marriage, picking your battles is probably good advice. But being too picky about battles, in general, seems like passivity that tends to lead to resentment and explosive drama.

There is picking your battles, and then there is avoiding all forms of conflict completely. The latter can just lead to battles down the road that could have been mildly uncomfortable situations at an earlier stage.

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Post by viklove »

LudwigNagasena wrote: post #300
howinator wrote: post #238

I live in this neighborhood, about three blocks north of where the car club meets. I’m white. I’m a homeowner. You get the picture. Honestly, these people complaining in Weaver sound insane. They moved into a community and it’s their job to integrate with the community. We have a Brit who lives on my street that does community organizing and he’s been wonderful about building a sense of community that integrates the…

So many words about race, nationality, community, white privilege and literally no mention of wealth, economic inequality or at least increased mobility of labour. This is what I “love” about modern American discourse.

Sadly, the discourse is the same in Western Europe.

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Post by cactus2093 »

howinator wrote: post #238

I live in this neighborhood, about three blocks north of where the car club meets. I’m white. I’m a homeowner. You get the picture. Honestly, these people complaining in Weaver sound insane. They moved into a community and it’s their job to integrate with the community. We have a Brit who lives on my street that does community organizing and he’s been wonderful about building a sense of community that integrates the…

> Also, doing burnouts and donuts on public streets sounds fun but it leaves the road covered in tire rubber and I imagine it smells awful while they’re doing it.

I don't get why you've left out probably the most legitimate criticism of the practice, that it's quite dangerous. I don't know much about Austin, but in SF and Oakland people are killed fairly often in side shows, and often it's innocent bystanders.

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Post by selimthegrim »

quantified wrote: post #55
throwaway000345 wrote: post #11

When places are full of white people, minorities are brought in in the name of diversity and it's to be celebrated. When places are full of minorities and whites move in, it's gentrification and we need to write articles lamenting it. Cultural mixing happens both ways. Sometimes inclusion means changing long standing traditions.

Have there been any natural experiments where less-wealthy white folk were priced out by more-wealthy non-white? I think the driver of gentrification is economic class not race/ethnicity. Wealthier and whiter show up together but may not be the same thing.

Parts of Pittsburgh and Philadelphia
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