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They Just Moved to Austin. Now They Want to End One of Its Traditions

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Re: They Just Moved to Austin. Now They Want to End One of Its Traditions

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Post by redofrac »

chmod600 wrote: post #287
howinator wrote: post #238

I live in this neighborhood, about three blocks north of where the car club meets. I’m white. I’m a homeowner. You get the picture. Honestly, these people complaining in Weaver sound insane. They moved into a community and it’s their job to integrate with the community. We have a Brit who lives on my street that does community organizing and he’s been wonderful about building a sense of community that integrates the…

"They moved into a community and it’s their job to integrate with the community." Is that a broadly-accepted opinion? Does it apply consistently to all cultures -- e.g. does it apply when nonwhites move into a white area? And, does it reflect reality? Do new populations really preserve the prexisting culture in practice?

"And, does it reflect reality? Do new populations really preserve the prexisting culture in practice?"

I'm not totally sure what you're presuming integrating with a community should involve, but there's a large gap between preserving and - as in here - actively interfering with the preexisting culture of a community.

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Post by pitay »

renewiltord wrote: post #140
thaumaturgy wrote: post #128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, the law will be two years old soon. There's one local news article about it where the county's PIO clarified the county's intention [1]. Aside from that, alllllll of these homeowners innocently working on their cars in their own garages and yards around the county and getting hit with hundreds and hundreds of dollars in fines have resulted in... exactly zero other local news coverage that I can find. Every othe…

The idea that giving the authorities the ability to enforce selectively on whom they like is a good thing is honestly bizarre to read. It's the classic preserve of biased prosecution. EDIT for response since I'm rate-limited. I interpreted the following section: > Again, I'm expressly not defending the law as it's written, but if the letter of every bad law was to be applied equally to everyone in the same instant, t…

Not saying this is a good or bad thing, but one way to make laws not be selective is to have mandatory enforcement and mandatory sentencing required for every law. If the law could be interpreted to apply to a situation, then it does apply to a situation in this model. Laws would be very carefully written under this and extremely well specified. With this you could be much more sure that a law is applied as written, whereas at the moment you have to continually look at the results of cases and can't see when people are let off the hook because someone in an authority position is well disposed to the person because they are friends with them or for other reasons. This can happen before a case goes to trial or during the trial.

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Post by failwhaleshark »

AlwaysRock wrote: post #292
dionidium wrote: post #209

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> Heck, my upstairs neighbor complained about my music on the weekend during the day without introducing themselves and not diplomatically. Tangential (and probably just a perennial old guy complaint), but it seems like people have forgotten how to do this. If you have an issue with something your neighbor is doing, then go talk to them . Don't leave an aggressive note. Don't let it boil over until you're so upset yo…

This is a really raw theory but it seems to me like many people don't have conflict day to day in their lives. Yet they see outrage in the news and on the internet all day every day. This trains people to think that any difficult situation will become a big conflict. Which leads to shitty behavior that actually causes conflict instead of talking like humans. I never chock up to malice what I can perceive as ignorance…

Yes! Invite them over and figure out what volumes are acceptable. If they're not aholes, they'll probably be okay with it. Get them a beer or coffee even.

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Post by maxsilver »

vitaflo wrote: post #285
brundolf wrote: post #90

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Similar feelings here. I simply don't know where else to go; it seems like every nice-to-live-in medium-sized city that isn't SF is going through this same song and dance. Money comes in like a flock of locusts, consumes the city, and SF is one of the first examples we're seeing of the husk that gets left behind. Then they move on to the next one. Where's a person supposed to lay down roots, without retreating deep i…

>Where's a person supposed to lay down roots, without retreating deep into a suburb? I don't need or want a job at FAANG or the next "unicorn"; I'm happy with my normal tech job/income and the life it affords. Why couldn't those things stay confined somewhere else and leave the rest of us in peace? Literally anywhere in the upper midwest. "Oh but the winters are brutally cold and the summers are too hot and humid" yo…

> Literally anywhere in the upper midwest (snip) a nice $300k house in a good neighborhood

I assume that's what the parent commenter meant by "retreating deep into a suburb".

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Post by sokoloff »

gambiting wrote: post #219
sokoloff wrote: post #167

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It's even worse than that. Major repairs are prohibited even in a fully enclosed garage. Minor repairs are prohibited in a great many cases as well. If I use a torque wrench to reinstall my wheels (even in a garage), I'm in violation. If I change the brakes on a friend's or girlfriend's car (even in a garage), I'm in violation. If I plug a flat tire for a neighbor or a passing motorist in my garage, I'm in violation.…

Seriously, how does any and all of this(along with the whole idea of HOAs) mesh at all with the "land of the free" idea that Americans are constantly broadcasting to the world. It's meant to be the most "free" country in the world and yet so many people are happy to live in communities that restrict them severely in what they can do with their own property. How is the response to any of this anything other than "mind…

HOAs are at least voluntary and hyper-local associations. I hope to never live in housing covered by an HOA (and I can avoid it), but I support other people who willingly or actively prefer to live under those arrangements.

Restrictions that an HOA might adopt can be more carefully tailored to the residents there than a city-wide ban on using tools not commonly found in a residence on a car. (Imagine if this law applied to electronics repair. "Sorry, most people don’t have a Pentalobe screwdriver, so no Apple portable repairs for you; take it to a shop like a good little consumer!")

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Post by undefined1 »

LudwigNagasena wrote: post #300
howinator wrote: post #238

I live in this neighborhood, about three blocks north of where the car club meets. I’m white. I’m a homeowner. You get the picture. Honestly, these people complaining in Weaver sound insane. They moved into a community and it’s their job to integrate with the community. We have a Brit who lives on my street that does community organizing and he’s been wonderful about building a sense of community that integrates the…

So many words about race, nationality, community, white privilege and literally no mention of wealth, economic inequality or at least increased mobility of labour. This is what I “love” about modern American discourse.

exactly. the elites couldn't be happier about the discourse being diverted away from the real issues. instead they have everyone caught up in a moral panic over melanin and identity.

https://i.imgur.com/wusW5Rn.jpg

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Post by failwhaleshark »

buffet_overflow wrote: post #245
donatj wrote: post #222

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Honestly I think the loss of humans just talking to others is the primary cause of most of our modern problems.

I can't help but wonder if a large part of this is the advice of "pick your battles, don't engage with others you disagree with, you're just wasting your energy" and similar being applied far too broadly.

In a marriage, picking your battles is probably good advice. But being too picky about battles, in general, seems like passivity that tends to lead to resentment and explosive drama.

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Post by fatnoah »

treis wrote: post #294
pdabbadabba wrote: post #268

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It seems like this comment is based on either an incorrect image of how this conversation ought to go, or a problematic prior about how inclined one's neighbor might be to violent retaliation. In most cases, I'd suggest mitigating this risk through your style of interaction, not your initial choice about how to interact at all. GP was just suggesting a normal human interaction. If "retaliation" is a risk after your i…

The asshole blaring music and doing burnouts is very unlikely to respond positively to a suggestion they stop doing that. If they were reasonable people and considerate of others they wouldn't be doing that in the first place. I suspect that if you polled the long term residents of the area they would have similar negative perceptions of the car club. It's just that they don't have the power to effect change or don't…

>The asshole blaring music and doing burnouts is very unlikely to respond positively to a suggestion they stop doing that. If they were reasonable people and considerate of others they wouldn't be doing that in the first place.

You'd be surprised just how oblivious people are. I lived in an apartment building where a fire escape connected my bedroom window to another window that faced min about 7 feet away. People in that apartment would have parties featuring folks hanging out on the fire escape a few feet from my head and keep me awake. I finally opened the window and said very nicely, "hey guys, any chance you could move inside? I have to catch a bus to work at 7am tomorrow morning?" They were completely shocked that they were even bothering someone else. I never had a problem after that and the party stayed indoors. Not everyone will respond so well, but a surprising number of people don't realize that they're bothering others.

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