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LulzSec Topples EVE Online, Minecraft, League of Legends and other Servers

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Sure, and I can go around punching people in the face and tell 'em that I'm doing 'em a favour by reminding them to always wear a full-face helmet when out in public. But if nobody except me is a big enough asshole to go round punching people in the face at random...

The difference is that one of those people could very well return the favor and give you a proper ass kicking, or determine your identity with relative ease and file a complaint with the police. The disincentives that exist for your example and those that exist for actions similar to those taken by lulzsec are radically different. The conclusion that people should walk around with full-face helmets is ridiculous beca…

Right, the problem is that 'digital criminals' are a) not likely enough to get caught, and b) not punished enough if/when they are.

What we need are stronger punishments against digital vandalism and profit-oriented digital burglary alike, and more and stronger enforcement.

(not being sarcastic, in case anyone's wondering)

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The internet brings out the worst in people.

Pseudo-anonymity brings out the worst in people, rather. (Or: If there is no risk of being punched in the face or otherwise given a strong physical disincentive, then behavior tends to deteriorate.)

Pseudo-anonymity also brings out the best in people, such as unbounded creativity. The spread is very large.

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Not to be too cheezy, but i'd like to quote The Dark Knight here: "Some men just want to watch the world burn."

It's seems like they are almost a caricature. Maybe they really are, or see my conspiracy theory http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2655040

Agreed. It looks very much like a front, or weird viral/marketing operation. Not sure it is by a government but that'd be possible. They piss off literally everybody, and don't even have the remote resemblance of anything like ethics. Smells like a caricature.

They hack company after company in such a short time, are very vocal and cocky about it, but still manage to not make mistakes and get caught. "Too good to be true" rings a bell?

Maybe they're trying to lure people in somehow? I couldn't even guess what the goal is, but it's weird.

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Because people that actually want your credit card info, game source, etc aren't talking about it on the web. They're just doing it. If you care about the integrity of your data, you damn well better care about your security.

Absolutely true. My credit card number was used from Turkey this week. I have absolutely no idea which website was compromised. And I am pretty sure that whoever was compromised has no idea either.

Might not be a website - my wife's and my debit cards were compromised last year within two weeks of one another. The only thing they had in common was that they're at the same bank; she has never even once used her card online.

Our conclusion was that Chase Manhattan had been compromised. That's kind of scary, really. They have to be spending serious money on security.

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No. Not that easy. They use VPNs offshore chained together not to mention the off shore vps' they have. Of course they would use protection when even just getting on Twitter, so a phone call from the government would do very little as the give would receive an IP from somewhere offshores that doesnt give a damn about US law, providing time and security to lulzsec.

I wonder how secure those VPN providers are. Regardless, my bet is that these guys will get taken down via a Kaczynski vulnerability. That is, someone that personally knows them will figure out that they are responsible and report them to the authorities.

Where did "Kaczynski vulnerability" come from? Your comment is the first result I got googling it.

http://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=...

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I wonder if there's an ideological "faction" (not an actual group or organization) of Anon hackers, the ones behind the hacktivism (pro-Wikileaks, anti-dictators, anti-corruption in democracies), who feels like groups such as LulzSec are tarnishing the reforming image of Anonymous. Prior to this month, they were getting almost mainstream approval as supporters of liberation movements in the third world.

Isn't this exactly what we're seeing? A split of "anonymous" into folks who want to piss on things for (often misguided but still there) political reasons and folks who just want to piss on things for the, as it were, lulz?

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I wonder how secure those VPN providers are. Regardless, my bet is that these guys will get taken down via a Kaczynski vulnerability. That is, someone that personally knows them will figure out that they are responsible and report them to the authorities.

Where did "Kaczynski vulnerability" come from? Your comment is the first result I got googling it. http://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=...

Probably from Ted Kaczynski:

"David Kaczynski had once admired and emulated his elder brother, but had later decided to leave the survivalist lifestyle behind.[74] He had received assurances from the FBI that he would remain anonymous and that his brother would not learn who had turned him in, but his identity was leaked to CBS News in early April 1996."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Kaczynski#Arrest

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Absolutely true. My credit card number was used from Turkey this week. I have absolutely no idea which website was compromised. And I am pretty sure that whoever was compromised has no idea either.

Might not be a website - my wife's and my debit cards were compromised last year within two weeks of one another. The only thing they had in common was that they're at the same bank; she has never even once used her card online. Our conclusion was that Chase Manhattan had been compromised. That's kind of scary, really. They have to be spending serious money on security.

To clarify, by "they have to", are you stating a fact or making a demand? One would have thought that Citigroup would have had some pretty tight security as well.

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These attacks are annoying and damaging but in the long run they make our internet stronger. If these didn't happen so often people would care a lot less about security and robustness.

Sure, and I can go around punching people in the face and tell 'em that I'm doing 'em a favour by reminding them to always wear a full-face helmet when out in public. But if nobody except me is a big enough asshole to go round punching people in the face at random...

Silly comparison. There is no reason for people to wear a full-face helmet in public. There may be a reason for people to know self defense though, which is why some martial arts clubs go out on the town with the specific goal of beating someone up: to remind that person and everyone else sees it that they need to know how to defend themselves.

Sure, life would be grand if no one ever broke into computers. Security is expensive and not remotely fun. But there will always be someone out there motivated to break in. It's good that these guys are doing it publicly. The more common and nasty ones keep their mouths shut and use our machines to do bad things.

EDIT: Made the text a bit clearer.

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