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They Just Moved to Austin. Now They Want to End One of Its Traditions

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Post by jaywalk »

sjg007 wrote: post #169
ziftface wrote: post #115

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm sorry but this is difficult to believe. The site says that it's unlawful to do "minor vehicle repair [...] Using tools not normally found in a residence". If it was just a zoning law, why does it have to include that stipulation? I've seen plenty of people who own tools "not normally found in a residence". It's hard to guess exactly what the authors' intentions were, but it wouldn't be unreasonable for someone to…

It's basically unenforceable, if the general public can buy the tools.

The general public can buy all of the equipment and tools they need to open up an unlicensed hair salon in their garage. That doesn't make laws against it unenforceable.

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Post by AlwaysRock »

dionidium wrote: post #209
airhead969 wrote: post #175

To be fair, I'm a middle-aged white engineer raised in San Jose, CA relocated to ATX in Dec 2020. I live at the corner of I-35 east-side frontage and 5th in a mega apartment complex. I've tried meeting many of my neighbors and most are asocial/antisocial. There are 2 women roommates and an African-American kid who are legit cool that I've met so far. Also, I don't even know the people across the hall. My conclusion f…

> Heck, my upstairs neighbor complained about my music on the weekend during the day without introducing themselves and not diplomatically. Tangential (and probably just a perennial old guy complaint), but it seems like people have forgotten how to do this. If you have an issue with something your neighbor is doing, then go talk to them . Don't leave an aggressive note. Don't let it boil over until you're so upset yo…

This is a really raw theory but it seems to me like many people don't have conflict day to day in their lives. Yet they see outrage in the news and on the internet all day every day. This trains people to think that any difficult situation will become a big conflict. Which leads to shitty behavior that actually causes conflict instead of talking like humans.

I never chock up to malice what I can perceive as ignorance. My neighbors who are being loud probably don't know they are being loud (to me) because they have never been in my apartment hearing them.

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Post by SilasX »

howinator wrote: post #238

I live in this neighborhood, about three blocks north of where the car club meets. I’m white. I’m a homeowner. You get the picture. Honestly, these people complaining in Weaver sound insane. They moved into a community and it’s their job to integrate with the community. We have a Brit who lives on my street that does community organizing and he’s been wonderful about building a sense of community that integrates the…

Thanks for the context, that seems like a reasonable approach. The only thing I would offer is, do they know they can contact Pio or the Brit? I'm sure they'd much prefer to liaise with them rather than hope the police will fix everything. How would they discover such people?

FWIW, I'm kind of in the same situation, as I bought a place last month in the gentrifying East Riverside area (just across the river from the one in the article). Everything was going as expected until last Sunday, when a preacher set up a concert grade sound system for an outdoor service, which was new even to long-term residents. The 311 app and social media lit up with complaints about it. (Apparently, some group does this around there weekly, but until now not with such loud equipment.)

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Post by treis »

pdabbadabba wrote: post #268
xapata wrote: post #261

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unfortunately, the risk of retaliation may be too high. While the likelihood may be low, the magnitude of the consequence is great.

It seems like this comment is based on either an incorrect image of how this conversation ought to go, or a problematic prior about how inclined one's neighbor might be to violent retaliation. In most cases, I'd suggest mitigating this risk through your style of interaction, not your initial choice about how to interact at all. GP was just suggesting a normal human interaction. If "retaliation" is a risk after your i…

The asshole blaring music and doing burnouts is very unlikely to respond positively to a suggestion they stop doing that. If they were reasonable people and considerate of others they wouldn't be doing that in the first place.

I suspect that if you polled the long term residents of the area they would have similar negative perceptions of the car club. It's just that they don't have the power to effect change or don't have the attitude that they can effect change.

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Post by ReadFList »

throwaway000345 wrote: post #11

When places are full of white people, minorities are brought in in the name of diversity and it's to be celebrated. When places are full of minorities and whites move in, it's gentrification and we need to write articles lamenting it. Cultural mixing happens both ways. Sometimes inclusion means changing long standing traditions.

“The specific political distinction to which political actions and motives can be reduced is that between friend and enemy.” -Carl Schmitt

Just guess who is the be seen as the enermy, guilty of some original sin that must be attoned at all times.

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Post by wayneftw »

castis wrote: post #168
29athrowaway wrote: post #97

Well, if you are at home putting a baby to sleep and suddenly some guy blasts some music from their car and wakes up your baby, what would you do? it's not a hard decision. There's a hierarchy of needs. Being able to be at peace in your own property ranks higher than someone else's need to blast music from their car. I do not have anything against the guy or his music, there are just some things that are more importa…

Doing some research on the place you're about to sign a lease on seems like an important step. I've done this for every place I've ever chosen to live and it usually works out great. "We were here first" is plenty of justification of a whole lot of things.

> "We were here first" is plenty of justification of a whole lot of things.

No it's not, not according to the law. If I move into town and I want to change things that's my right as a citizen.

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Post by sneak »

wl wrote: post #274
dionidium wrote: post #209

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Heck, my upstairs neighbor complained about my music on the weekend during the day without introducing themselves and not diplomatically. Tangential (and probably just a perennial old guy complaint), but it seems like people have forgotten how to do this. If you have an issue with something your neighbor is doing, then go talk to them . Don't leave an aggressive note. Don't let it boil over until you're so upset yo…

The risk of a confrontation escalating makes dealing with such things myself a very unattractive option, especially if it's a stranger. I've had a simple, polite request to turn down the thumping music at 1 AM end with me blocking punches, retreating to my unit, and calling the cops. Better to leave it to people who do such things professionally.

If you wouldn't come back with a gun yourself to resolve the issue, it's a dick move to call someone else (a cop) to come over with a gun.

If you're making phone calls for armed response because someone is playing music, the problem might be with you.

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Post by toss1 »

Just like the people that move in next to even famous auto racing circuits, and then complain about the noise -- it's your job to check out the situation before moving in.

The best proper adaptation that I've seen was reading about a developer that took some deteriorating apartments under an airport runway and refurbished them specifically for the deaf community (doorbells that flash instead of ring, etc.). It was apparently a big success.

I'd consider that car meet regularly held nextdoor to be a wonderful benefit.

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Post by dionidium »

burntoutfire wrote: post #267
LanceH wrote: post #229

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Probably from too much experience that they need to expect to be in a fight, so they adopt an aggressive posture from the start.

That's me. If I know that neighbor is doing something unreasonable, like leaving his garbage bags in the common hallway or listening music too loudly, I suspect he's just an antisocial asshole and the conversation will be rough at best.

Whenever I think that I remember that I've been the recipient of snarky notes about this or that and while it's possible I'm an irredeemable reprobate, I'd prefer rather to think that like most people I'm sometimes not as considerate as I might be and open to polite feedback.

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Post by LudwigNagasena »

howinator wrote: post #238

I live in this neighborhood, about three blocks north of where the car club meets. I’m white. I’m a homeowner. You get the picture. Honestly, these people complaining in Weaver sound insane. They moved into a community and it’s their job to integrate with the community. We have a Brit who lives on my street that does community organizing and he’s been wonderful about building a sense of community that integrates the…

So many words about race, nationality, community, white privilege and literally no mention of wealth, economic inequality or at least increased mobility of labour. This is what I “love” about modern American discourse.
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