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PinePhone – Beta Edition Linux SmartPhone Preorder
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#112Earlier quoted context omitted.
I hope the pinephone never has app stores. The "work with the community to merge your software into the repo" model is much better for things that actually help people. Apple's AppStore is best for extracting money from people while siloing their data.
This is so divorced from reality I don't know where to start. There is effectively no difference between "apt install widget-a" and installing it from a "App Store" other than the App Store option lets the dev feed his family if he needs to to. at least from a user stand point.
One could argue that it is exactly this financial incentive that causes all the mislabeled useless apps on the app stores.
Re: PinePhone – Beta Edition Linux SmartPhone Preorder
#113I wonder, what's the difference between this and all the distro-flavored versions there were before?
It appears that this version has 32GB eMMC storage vs 16GB and has 3GB SDRAM vs 2GB.
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#114Earlier quoted context omitted.
Web browsers lack an equivalent to Google's Safety Net, which banks are increasingly insisting on for security's sake.
That’s easily solved.
How so? Safety Net is about things like locking the bootloader on one's phone, and preventing the user from having root access. Desktop computers don't have the same restrictions, and most of the people on this thread supporting the PinePhone would chafe at the notion that their desktop computers need to be locked down.
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#115Earlier quoted context omitted.
This is so divorced from reality I don't know where to start. There is effectively no difference between "apt install widget-a" and installing it from a "App Store" other than the App Store option lets the dev feed his family if he needs to to. at least from a user stand point.
One could argue that it is exactly this financial incentive that causes all the mislabeled useless apps on the app stores.
>financial incentive
? ... financial incentives is the motivation for most labor.
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#116I personally think that the effort to create open source phones is the single most important technology project going on out there. We have open source browsers, we have open source social apps, but we definitely do not have open source phones. Phones that can be truly owned and controlled by users will reshape the privacy discourse, from one of complaining and legal coercion, to one of choices and markets.
Except that it won't break the app-store duopoly. At what point will WhatsApp or even Signal consider providing a web-app, or even an open API for others to built clients against? Not doing this is a policy choice, not a technical one. Will banks offer something that doesn't require authentication via an app? Governments? App here meaning: Android or IOS. One solution might be to provide a sandbox for Android apps, b…
Isn't the Signal client GPL? Seems you could fork or write your own client.
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#117Earlier quoted context omitted.
Hence smartphone OSes are a public utility, and should be opened up.
That really doesn’t follow. The web is already open, and banks are already regulated. Just mandate that banks provide access to their services via the web.
They often do; it's two-factor authentication that's the problem. If they'd support some open standard like WebAuthn this problem wouldn't exist, but they all insist on using home-grown solutions.
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#118This is great, and I plan on getting one to support the project. I do however wish there was a smaller screen one (perhaps EInk) with more 4G bands like band 71, and with Anbox/microG support to run apps like Signal.
I would like to know what apps people are using for video chat, if they aren't using Signal.
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#119> Device Warranty: 30 Days EU Law states two years regardless of manufacturer wishes. https://europa.eu/youreurope/citizens/consumers/shopping/gua... => The two-year period starts from the day you received the product: And given it is shipped from Poland, it falls under it.
The website makes the following very clear (not in fine print but right at the beginning of the description).
> Beta Limited Edition PinePhones are aimed solely at early adopters. More specifically, only intend for these units to find their way into the hands of users with extensive Linux experience.
If you mistake this for a finished phone, I hope regulators will see that Pine64 did due diligence to warn you that this is a half-finished prototype of a phone. At the end of the day, if malicious customers do complain to regulators because their "early-adopter" phone wasn't production ready, it seems that legally Pine64 can simply refund those purchases.
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#120Earlier quoted context omitted.
That’s easily solved.
How so? Safety Net is about things like locking the bootloader on one's phone, and preventing the user from having root access. Desktop computers don't have the same restrictions, and most of the people on this thread supporting the PinePhone would chafe at the notion that their desktop computers need to be locked down.
It’s not about requiring that exact solution. It’s about providing security. There are other ways. If banks require a controlled endpoint, they can supply a hardware key.