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Re: Suez canal blocked by a massive ship

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Post by lovelyviking »

fifilura wrote: post #281
_Microft wrote: post #180

Here is another accident of the "Ever Given" in Hamburg [0] in which a harbour ferry suffered a total loss after being rammed by her. Supposed cause was an unfortunate combination of slow speeds and severe wind which seems to be a difficult situation for ships as tall as these. Maybe a similar combination of events happened here? [0] https://www.mopo.de/hamburg/frachter-rammt-faehre-knapp-an-d...

I love the position of the Swedish flag in that photo. Given that the accident happened in Germany and the ship is Taiwanese. It is just freaky, I don't know if it is good or bad to be associated with such an incident. In a plane crash they are usually quick to paint over the name of the airline company to not be associated. I don't think this is the same though.

Can't see the flag, because the whole page is blocked by some BS (presumably in german). Blocking own content or creating obstacles to see it ... what can be more ridiculous. I just close such web pages and never come back.

Re: Suez canal blocked by a massive ship

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Post by pilsetnieks »

fifilura wrote: post #281
_Microft wrote: post #180

Here is another accident of the "Ever Given" in Hamburg [0] in which a harbour ferry suffered a total loss after being rammed by her. Supposed cause was an unfortunate combination of slow speeds and severe wind which seems to be a difficult situation for ships as tall as these. Maybe a similar combination of events happened here? [0] https://www.mopo.de/hamburg/frachter-rammt-faehre-knapp-an-d...

I love the position of the Swedish flag in that photo. Given that the accident happened in Germany and the ship is Taiwanese. It is just freaky, I don't know if it is good or bad to be associated with such an incident. In a plane crash they are usually quick to paint over the name of the airline company to not be associated. I don't think this is the same though.

Not the first time the Swedes have had experience with tall ships causing problems.

Re: Suez canal blocked by a massive ship

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Post by tilolebo »

https://twitter.com/AgenciesLeth/status/1374674714854105093?...

The Twitter account of this transit services agency provides some updates.

I already saw multiple French news sites stating that the canal has been unblocked, but apparently that's not true.

I wonder where that news came from.

Re: Suez canal blocked by a massive ship

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Post by bluntfang »

nafizh wrote: post #254
matthewaveryusa wrote: post #80

Ha, I happened to see it leave Boston August of last year and snapped a photo of it because it was jaw dropping big (and I’m not a boat person!) the Evergreen had 4 tugboats guiding it. Yeah that thing isn’t moving without professional help. https://photos.app.goo.gl/6Ywgot5wmK6HDNoV6 Edit: so this is the “ever living” that’s 335 meters long. The ever given is 400 meters long

Hey, I am in Boston, which park is that? Looks great to have a walk.

The exif data is on that photo, but i recognized it as castle island, and the exif confirmed. really nice park to watch sea and air ships.

Re: Suez canal blocked by a massive ship

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Post by brazzy »

lmilcin wrote: post #244
brazzy wrote: post #242

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The cause for that accident seems to have been strong wind, which apparently makes these huge ships very hard or even impossible to maneuver when they are going slow. If true, then the "systemic issue" is only that ships are getting too big.

Hi. Skipper here (nothing of the size of the ship in question, obviously:). Ships of ANY size are hard or impossible to maneuver when they are going slow and have a blackout. The size doesn't matter. The control surfaces only work when they move with regards to water. The ship that does not move is uncontrollable with rudder and it needs to use something else to help it maneuver. This something else can be a tugboat…

I was referring to the incident in Hamburg, where there was (according to the article) no blackout, the ship had two local pilots on board and a tugboat attached.

And yet, they were unable to prevent the wind from pushing them into a moored ferry they were passing.

Re: Suez canal blocked by a massive ship

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Post by ghaff »

russellendicott wrote: post #260
oliv__ wrote: post #101

Tengential but I am always curious what software these huge logistics company use to manage their business. From my outsider's perspective, it seems like a best-in-class-software enabled company would have a massive advantage over the rest. Interested to hear if anyone has insights about this

In 2016 John Willis was with Docker and he gave a talk where he casually recommended a book called The Box [1] about how shipping containers have shaped the modern world. When I was reading it there was a part where they talk about how the logistics optimization problem caused the major shippers to be some of the earliest adopters of computers. Interesting book. [1] - https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/316767.The_Bo…

That book has a lot of interesting lessons to draw from [1] and that was even before they became a ubiquitous analogy for various things related to software containers. Sun's Jonathan Schwartz was talking up this book in the late 90s.

Three I picked out were:

- Existing infrastructure matters (e.g. SuezMax)

- Standards matter (container size and handling needed to be standardized)

- Process matters (e.g. containers needed changes to the way loading and unloading was done, and hence changes to labor agreements, at major ports)

[1] https://www.cnet.com/news/three-lessons-from-the-shipping-co...

Re: Suez canal blocked by a massive ship

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Post by pharke »

darkwater wrote: post #294

So, fellow Europeans, prepare for a longer delivery time for most of your items starting from, I don't know, 10 days from now? What's the buffer size for most of the products in, say, an Amazon Fulfillment facility?

Be prepared for an oil shock as well.

Re: Suez canal blocked by a massive ship

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Post by NorwegianDude »

Symmetry wrote: post #259
lmilcin wrote: post #244

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hi. Skipper here (nothing of the size of the ship in question, obviously:). Ships of ANY size are hard or impossible to maneuver when they are going slow and have a blackout. The size doesn't matter. The control surfaces only work when they move with regards to water. The ship that does not move is uncontrollable with rudder and it needs to use something else to help it maneuver. This something else can be a tugboat…

For ships that have turbo-electric drive trains rather than big shafts, I wonder if it would be possible to vector the propellers somewhat for better maneuverability, the same way that rockets use gimballing engines? Probably not worth the maintenance though, with sealant and salt water considerations.

It's not uncommon for ships to have thrusters that can move or rotate the ship in any directions. When doing underwater operations the ship needs to stay in place, and eg. GPS and/or triangulation from land or oil rigs is used to make sure it holds the correct position, even in quite strong winds.

Re: Suez canal blocked by a massive ship

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Post by ben_w »

lovelyviking wrote: post #301
fifilura wrote: post #281

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I love the position of the Swedish flag in that photo. Given that the accident happened in Germany and the ship is Taiwanese. It is just freaky, I don't know if it is good or bad to be associated with such an incident. In a plane crash they are usually quick to paint over the name of the airline company to not be associated. I don't think this is the same though.

Can't see the flag, because the whole page is blocked by some BS (presumably in german). Blocking own content or creating obstacles to see it ... what can be more ridiculous. I just close such web pages and never come back.

I saw a cookies consent popover followed by a “oh no ad block” popover.

I can’t get worked up against them for wanting to get paid, even though I regard adverts as parasites of time, energy, and bandwidth and won’t disable my ad blocker for them — I don’t have solutions, just the aphorism about two wrongs.

Re: Suez canal blocked by a massive ship

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Post by wffurr »

nafizh wrote: post #254
matthewaveryusa wrote: post #80

Ha, I happened to see it leave Boston August of last year and snapped a photo of it because it was jaw dropping big (and I’m not a boat person!) the Evergreen had 4 tugboats guiding it. Yeah that thing isn’t moving without professional help. https://photos.app.goo.gl/6Ywgot5wmK6HDNoV6 Edit: so this is the “ever living” that’s 335 meters long. The ever given is 400 meters long

Hey, I am in Boston, which park is that? Looks great to have a walk.

That’s Castle Island and it is quite lovely: https://goo.gl/maps/rwbW9JkYURonQpE99
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