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They Just Moved to Austin. Now They Want to End One of Its Traditions

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Re: They Just Moved to Austin. Now They Want to End One of Its Traditions

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post #26

What's the issue with gentrification? We are living in a fast paced world so one needs to adapt to the changes. It could be my neighbor, skill sets, policies, etc.

I'd imagine one's views on gentrification are largely shaped by which side of the gentrification they're on.

As long as they personally don’t have to throw grandma down the stairs, they’re ok with it. The price of progress.

Since TX doesn’t have Prop 13, they are going to be annoyed with the tents cluttering their views.

Re: They Just Moved to Austin. Now They Want to End One of Its Traditions

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I’m familiar with the gathering they are writing about. It’s really not a disturbance whatsoever anymore. It’s a shame there are people being so up tight about it. In years past it definitely got out of control sometimes and the bass was so loud it would rattle houses a quarter mile away. I definitely wouldn’t have felt comfortable having an infant exposed to that noise level during those times. But it’s been fine for at least a couple years and it doesn’t go too late.

Re: They Just Moved to Austin. Now They Want to End One of Its Traditions

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Real estate law has this concept of “Coming to the nuisance” where if you know that there is some kind of “nuisance” nearby and you move next to it anyway, you can’t complain about it later. I’m not a lawyer so I’m probably pedantically wrong about it in some way but that’s my understanding of it. People do this with small local airports all the time. They move in, knowing full well (or should know full well) that th…

There is an asphalt factory 10 miles from where I live, on the access road to a major highway, and in the middle of lots of urban development. The factory has been around since the mid 80s. There is a nearby new housing development with residents complaining about the air pollution (apparently it is really smelly) - and their response is "yeah, we've been here since before you were born, so whatev". It cracked me up.…

must be related to the idiots that build their home next to Laguna Seca.

Re: They Just Moved to Austin. Now They Want to End One of Its Traditions

#74
post #36

At the general level, I doubt anyone is surprised to see this story, and there will likely be more to come as tech flocks to Austin (though it was already a notable tech hub with some of these pressures already before the billionaires decided to give it the seal of approval). To me, the more interesting question here is how does Austin avoid what happened to SF, where tech hollowed out nearly all of its existing cult…

Those traditional black neighborhoods were bought up, demolished and turned into luxury apartments at insane prices. At one point I was on the east side and saw an old black woman rocking on her front porch in front of a 70's shotgun shack, next to an ugly post-modern 2 story house with a lambo and a tesla sitting outside of it. I don't think increasing housing density is the answer. We really don't need more luxury…

> I don't think increasing housing density is the answer. We really don't need more luxury apartments or million dollar condos.

This was my first natural instinct maybe 5 years ago, but seeing the differences in gentrification stories has made it clear it's far worse to keep density the same. If nothing in the city changes and rich people decide they want to flock to your city (in this case, tech workers), it's a given that the existing poorer people will be forced out and prices will increase. Measures like rent control only slow the process, holding back a rising tide.

I've seen this personally in my backyard in Brooklyn. What has happened there is that massive luxury towers have been built along a busy street (central to transit but still not "neighborhoody"). While rents have still gone up, it seems this real estate and luxury market has helped stave off the insane hikes SF has seen, for example. Million dollar condos, probably not a good idea. But luxury buildings with high density turn into normal real estate in 20 years, and that top of the market ease keeps a lot of that tech money out of existing minority and poor neighborhoods.

The question for Austin if they accept that is where to put them. Finding a balanced place would be key here IMO.

Re: They Just Moved to Austin. Now They Want to End One of Its Traditions

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"Another Weaver resident voiced more generalized criticism, calling the event a 'display of toxic masculinity.'"

This is really depressing... It's like there's no escaping this type of mentality anywhere in the U.S. I'm currently in the process of leaving California. I won't miss it at all I'm afraid.

Re: They Just Moved to Austin. Now They Want to End One of Its Traditions

#76
post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Good callout, but it's important not to fudge the numbers here. Using this source[0], it seems like the population doubled, not tripled, from 911K to 1.84M. If we use that 10% to 7.5% drop, the city's black residents went from 91K to 138k. Hardly tripled, in fact only a 50% increase compared to over 100% population size increase. So the comparative growth was half as fast. I'd still say thats notable to the article's…

Difficult thing is sometimes you look up a source for a city's population and they will show you the exact population of the city limits and sometimes they will show you the population of the metropolitan area. The article rounded up the actual census data from 9.5% to 10% for the 2000 numbers, but left the 2017 number at 7.5% (fudging with precision). At any rate, if someone moves from East Austin to Del Valle or Ma…

100% in agreement on the nuance here. I used metro area above rather than city limits, and that will 100% not capture some of that neighborhood level migration away from the cultural center of the city. I think that's important to capture and wish the article did with more detail, but I think this point was meant to be an aside to a more qualitative story. I have no doubt the gentrification story of Austin has been covered in nuanced detail before this, so I hope people don't write off the article due to this.

Re: They Just Moved to Austin. Now They Want to End One of Its Traditions

#77

When places are full of white people, minorities are brought in in the name of diversity and it's to be celebrated. When places are full of minorities and whites move in, it's gentrification and we need to write articles lamenting it. Cultural mixing happens both ways. Sometimes inclusion means changing long standing traditions.

Have there been any natural experiments where less-wealthy white folk were priced out by more-wealthy non-white? I think the driver of gentrification is economic class not race/ethnicity. Wealthier and whiter show up together but may not be the same thing.

vancouver?

Re: They Just Moved to Austin. Now They Want to End One of Its Traditions

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A lot of the Austinites like to say "Welcome to Austin, don't move here" or some such silliness. The "funny" thing is the ones that say this the most are the ones not originally from Austin but feel they have been there "long" enough to call it home.

Re: They Just Moved to Austin. Now They Want to End One of Its Traditions

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post #36

At the general level, I doubt anyone is surprised to see this story, and there will likely be more to come as tech flocks to Austin (though it was already a notable tech hub with some of these pressures already before the billionaires decided to give it the seal of approval). To me, the more interesting question here is how does Austin avoid what happened to SF, where tech hollowed out nearly all of its existing cult…

Those traditional black neighborhoods were bought up, demolished and turned into luxury apartments at insane prices. At one point I was on the east side and saw an old black woman rocking on her front porch in front of a 70's shotgun shack, next to an ugly post-modern 2 story house with a lambo and a tesla sitting outside of it. I don't think increasing housing density is the answer. We really don't need more luxury…

When the population of a city suddenly jumps, increasing density is the ONLY answer. Without extra housing, where do you think all those extra people will live? In the apartments of current residents of course. This is not a view held solely by freemarket enthusiast or "neoliberals" or whatever. Even the DSA understands this. Their only disagreement is that they think the government should be the ones building the housing. I can't get my head around the prevalence of this anti-density view. It's the climate denialism of the left.
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