The pandemic has changed the shape of global happiness

Post by NorthOf33rd » Wed, Mar 24, 2021, 2:58 AM UTC

JSavageOne wrote: post #18

ilikehurdles wrote: post #16

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Taiwan has temperature checks to get anywhere and very effective contact tracing to segregate all potentially infectious individuals in quarantine. Coughs and fever, even if unrelated to covid, result in the individual having to spend some time in a hospital room. Its borders are almost fully closed to outsiders. Not only that, a culture of mask wearing has been normalized throughout east Asia for ages. Do you honest…

> Do you honestly, honestly believe that Americans or Europeans at any level would have been able to transition to and adhere to such strict restrictions? Of course. Why would that not be possible? This is another common response I see, this defeatist attitude that the west is not capable of implementing the same smart common sense policies that the east did. With this pessimistic attitude it's sure as hell not possi…

Post by tjs8rj » Wed, Mar 24, 2021, 3:09 AM UTC

chii wrote: post #21

clairity wrote: post #12

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don't give up. there's plenty of us who actually have assessed the risks and weighed them apropriately, using our own brains rather than relying on others to assuage our fears. almost none of the publicly pronounced mitigations have much mitigative effect. the most reasonable mitigation is sensible distancing when you're going to spend extended time with non-household members in tight quarters, but that's not big eno…

> didn't really have any substantive effect it did, but the effort was not sustained, nor done consistently enough in the USA to have had return on the investment/cost. I would argue that a bigger, more stringent lockdown, for at least 1-2 months, would have produced vastly better results. It's not like you can half-mitigate the pandemic with a half-lockdown.

Post by icedchai » Wed, Mar 24, 2021, 3:11 AM UTC

chii wrote: post #21

clairity wrote: post #12

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don't give up. there's plenty of us who actually have assessed the risks and weighed them apropriately, using our own brains rather than relying on others to assuage our fears. almost none of the publicly pronounced mitigations have much mitigative effect. the most reasonable mitigation is sensible distancing when you're going to spend extended time with non-household members in tight quarters, but that's not big eno…

> didn't really have any substantive effect it did, but the effort was not sustained, nor done consistently enough in the USA to have had return on the investment/cost. I would argue that a bigger, more stringent lockdown, for at least 1-2 months, would have produced vastly better results. It's not like you can half-mitigate the pandemic with a half-lockdown.

Post by big_youth » Wed, Mar 24, 2021, 3:14 AM UTC

chii wrote: post #23

ekianjo wrote: post #15

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Japan never enforced any lock down and even actively encouraged people for months to travel in the midst of the pandemic. So far they did OK. Very limited number of infections and deaths.

and look at what happened : https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/dec/10/japan-covid-ca...

Post by AlchemistCamp » Wed, Mar 24, 2021, 3:16 AM UTC

ilikehurdles wrote: post #16

JSavageOne wrote: post #10

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Ok I stand corrected and should've been more explicit. What I meant was that the east Asian countries hailed as role models - South Korea, Taiwan, etc - never had to resort to lockdowns. Meanwhile Europe is practically shut down, the U.S. had very harsh lockdowns, etc.

Taiwan has temperature checks to get anywhere and very effective contact tracing to segregate all potentially infectious individuals in quarantine. Coughs and fever, even if unrelated to covid, result in the individual having to spend some time in a hospital room. Its borders are almost fully closed to outsiders. Not only that, a culture of mask wearing has been normalized throughout east Asia for ages. Do you honest…