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Trans is for Reddit what nuclear energy is for HN. Anything negative about these two issues will quickly get you downvoted, flagged and banned on the respective forum.

I don't see the need to say anything negative about trans people, it feels very similar to anti-gay rhetoric and talking points of the past. It's not contributing or helping, and actually causes a lot of harm.

There are legitimate discussions to be had about things like the rates of detransitioning teenagers and mental health in the trans community. But places like Reddit have made such discussion verboten.

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HN appears to do some shady stuff too... sometimes it is users flagging post (like a mega-downvote) and sometimes it is the admins controlling the speech. I'm not sure why HN needs flagging and down-votes... because flagging is being abused all the time (and I think that some users get super-heavy-flagging-powers, a bit like low level admins).

Flagging is the least bad system I’ve seen so far. HN can be configured to show flagged or dead posts as well so it doesn’t really compare.

I don't think it's an awful system but I don't think it's exactly right for HN - in normal operations it works fairly well but when combined with some less desirable HN stereotypes it can just involve shutting down discussion one disagrees with (e.g. merely mentioning Donald Trump by name was an insta flag during the election, but you could always get away with worse if you talked about democrats because the average user is further right than most forums)

Re: Reddit is banning any Aimee Challenor mention. UK public figure and Reddit admin

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Despite all the vitriol, I have a degree of sympathy for the Reddit admin in question. I can't imagine how distressing it must be to be turned into a worldwide hate figure overnight; that has to be extremely psychologically damaging. Among the mob will be genuinely hateful and equally vile people who'll probably send a tsunami of death threats. Reddit is in a bit of a difficult place; perhaps because of the legal dut…

+1 the Linehan article is explicitly hateful.

I think this is an attempt to defend her from that contravention of the hate speech policy, and is more cock-up than conspiracy IMO.

Re: Reddit is banning any Aimee Challenor mention. UK public figure and Reddit admin

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You might have been downvoted for conflating gay and trans concerns as though they are the same. From what I've observed there are genuine conflicts between those communities and discussion is necessary to resolve them - it's not automatically "criticism". For example quite a few of the "gender critical" people being referred to here are actually lesbians, and they've been accused of hate or transphobia because they…

Forcing anyone to change their sexual preferences because of social justice is plain wrong.

Of course. And being accused of hate or shamed for not wanting to change your sexual preference is deeply regressive.

Re: Reddit is banning any Aimee Challenor mention. UK public figure and Reddit admin

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I am completely lost here. I feel like a Boomer on Snapchat. Can someone please give a 5 sentence tl;dr of (a) who this person is, (b) what the original controversy was about, and (c) why the Reddit admins care so much? This is one of those stories that keeps popping up in front of me but I really do not have the will nor the time to engage with it, so I'd really appreciate a concise and unbiased summary if anyone ca…

(a) She is a reddit admin that was previously a public figure in both the green party and the liberal democrats.

(b) While in the green party, she recruited her father as a campaign manager while knowing he was being charged for sexual offences, and he would eventually be convicted of raping and torturing a 10 year old child which was held captive in the attic of the house she was living in at the time. This brought disrepute to the party and she was removed. After this she got a position within the liberal democrats, and got suspended from the party after her boyfriend's twitter account was found to have posts admitting to having sexual fantasies involving sex with children.

(c) Reddit admins presumably care because they have now employed her as an admin, but don't want any criticism of her past as referenced in (b). This is presumably to protect her as an employee, but is problematic as they act as a news sharing site to some extent, and she is/was a public figure.

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Some media should be suppressed and some media shouldn't be. The "gender critical" subreddit for example was full of hatred for trans people like myself. I don't believe that exercising your power to suppress something you don't like is inherently good or bad. It obviously depends on the contents of what is being suppressed.

Political/social criticism should not be mislabeled as "hate". Trans-related issues are extremely complex no matter what anyone's personal POV might be, and keeping a critical attitude is entirely legitimate.

The people pushing hatred against trans people dress it up in nice language so useful idiots then go around saying things like "keeping a critical attitude is entirely legitimate".

The gender critical movement is based on antisemitic conspiracy theories (eg Bilek) and unhinged hatred of trans people (eg Glinner).

Re: Reddit is banning any Aimee Challenor mention. UK public figure and Reddit admin

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I'm not sure if you are trolling, but the article wasn't "dead naming a trans woman". It was an article in a mainstream uk magazine about a uk political party where her preferred name was mentioned

"Deadnaming" is explicitly using the birth/non-current name of a trans person. The article does that, and also uses "he" throughout. Both of those things are typically seen as quite offensive by trans people. I don't think a site-wide ban of the person who posted the link is reasonable, but it is a shitty article.

I skimmed both articles and have found no proof of this. Both say "she", "Ms", and the correct name.

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Flagging is the least bad system I’ve seen so far. HN can be configured to show flagged or dead posts as well so it doesn’t really compare.

Does the admin(s) need to do anything to hide a post when a post has been flagged by users or it is automatically hidden?

It's automatic. If enough users flag a post, it gets "killed" and will only show up (with the tag "[flagged][dead]") if you have the "showdead" option enabled in your profile.

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The specific policy and political recommendations of the people on the gender critical subreddit are very transphobic, and not even in a nuanced way. Fuck the meta level. I'm only interested in engaging with specifics.

> The specific policy and political recommendations of the people on the gender critical subreddit are very transphobic There's plenty of actual transphobia occurring, out there in the real world - as in, real hateful violence and oppression being done to people who identify as trans or even just behave in non-gender-typical ways. So you're quite factually wrong about this. Gender-critical feminists do not even regis…

You have no idea what you’re talking about. “Gender critical” people (they are not feminists) regularly harass trans people, including kids, to the point of suicide. They lobby for discriminatory legislation that makes life-saving medical care difficult or impossible to access for trans people. They are instrumental in spreading bewilderingly unscientific anti-trans propaganda with the deliberate effect of harming and demonizing trans people, with the predictable effect of inspiring more hate crimes. They organize in order to harass and abuse trans people out of employment and housing. They just straight up lie. And if you were to peruse that subreddit, you’d also see them regularly joke about lying to AFAB trans people in order to exploit them for sex because those were the “hot butches” in a way that was incredibly hateful and, honestly, pretty rapey.

These people are abusers and bigots. They’re no different than any other hate group, except that they often use the language of victimhood to cloak their primary mode of social aggression. (This is the mode of aggression that it is most acceptable for AFAB people to express, so they get really, really good at it. It has a lot in common with the dynamics of emotional abuse, and, for lack of a better term, mean girling (which is, especially after adolescence, a particularly effective form of abuse)).

So you have no idea what you’re talking about, but based on your other comments in this thread — you genuinely seem to think homosexuality is a modern invention? And that it came out of some sort of predatory behavior? — it seems this is a willful ignorance that accommodates the hate and disgust you already feel for certain minorities.

Re: Reddit is banning any Aimee Challenor mention. UK public figure and Reddit admin

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Forcing anyone to change their sexual preferences because of social justice is plain wrong.

Of course. And being accused of hate or shamed for not wanting to change your sexual preference is deeply regressive.

Weird how the gender critical community comes out of the shattered remains of the political lesbian community who wanted to do exactly that.
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