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Reddit is banning any Aimee Challenor mention. UK public figure and Reddit admin

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Re: Reddit is banning any Aimee Challenor mention. UK public figure and Reddit admin

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I wonder if her name will be remembered for the effect longer than for her celebrity.

Barbara who? Edit: seriously, I couldn't tell you what she's done. Sing? Movies? Both?

Cool. I feel vindicated and very old at the same time.

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The irony is that I almost certainly would have zero idea who this person was or the existence of this controversy were it not for this crackdown. On one hand I can empathize with people seeing someone they know have negative press about them shared on a site they run and wanting to do something. But I thought the point of professionalism was refraining from this kind of behavior and applying rules consistently even…

I've said many times on here, people seem to not believe it. Banning literally achieves the opposite of what it intends to do... hell, if I was a marketer I would use banning and censorship as a kind of promotion/campaign tool. But nooo, people think with feelings, and the word that needs banning just sounds so horrible and is so offensive, so lets iron fist everyone into forgetting it... lol.

I think you're seeing a bit of survivorship bias here. When you see something that has been banned you can say "ah huh! the ban didn't work, I still saw this". But you're not seeing the banned things you're not seeing.

Re: Reddit is banning any Aimee Challenor mention. UK public figure and Reddit admin

#114

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I wonder if her name will be remembered for the effect longer than for her celebrity.

Barbara who? Edit: seriously, I couldn't tell you what she's done. Sing? Movies? Both?

Oh dear... I assume you're being sincere, so no shade or anything like that. I just realized exactly how old I am relative to you and the other person who posted the same sentiment. ;)

Both. She was a big big name of my parent's generation (think Rhianna version 2, Rhianna is version 3 or 4 or 5... if you go back to Maria Callas or Josephine Baker being version 1)

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The specific policy and political recommendations of the people on the gender critical subreddit are very transphobic, and not even in a nuanced way. Fuck the meta level. I'm only interested in engaging with specifics.

> The specific policy and political recommendations of the people on the gender critical subreddit are very transphobic There's plenty of actual transphobia occurring, out there in the real world - as in, real hateful violence and oppression being done to people who identify as trans or even just behave in non-gender-typical ways. So you're quite factually wrong about this. Gender-critical feminists do not even regis…

Structural transphobia such as the medical gatekeeping GCs want to preserve, and incidents of violence, are both actual transphobia. Focusing on the latter and ignoring the former is also transphobic.

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Despite all the vitriol, I have a degree of sympathy for the Reddit admin in question. I can't imagine how distressing it must be to be turned into a worldwide hate figure overnight; that has to be extremely psychologically damaging. Among the mob will be genuinely hateful and equally vile people who'll probably send a tsunami of death threats. Reddit is in a bit of a difficult place; perhaps because of the legal dut…

Maybe don't hire a known child rapist/torturer if you don't want to be hated.

We're in agreement that knowingly associating oneself with pedophiles deserves a degree of opprobrium. However that does raise the question, how much opprobrium?

The person in question probably suffers psychologically a great deal. Who wouldn't if they were dealt with the double-hand of gender-dysphoria and a pedophile father? I think it is safe to conclude this person is not well. Does the world really stand to gain much exposing a fringe activist to the opprobrium of the entire world?

I might sound radical in saying this, but I really don't think they do, and I think that societal shame needs to be regulated in proportion with how useful it is.

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Reddit has a real and serious potential liability if they didn't take action on this (now, there is a very good argument that hiring the individual in question in the role in question showed epically poor judgement, but, while a part of the chain of events that got the situation to this point, that's a different issue.)

Which liability? In which juridiction? From what I read in another other website, the affair seems pretty serious: hired murderer pedophile dad and met husband on a furry forum on which that guy wrote about raping children. Since that individual is a political figure (thus public figure) it’s legitimate the people discuss about those facts.

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Not at any cost, but this cost is plainly acceptable.

"plainly" is an extremely loaded word in this context.

No, plainly. It's not even close.

Re: Reddit is banning any Aimee Challenor mention. UK public figure and Reddit admin

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post #46

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History teaches us that moral authoritarianism, properly executed, is the stuff of nightmares. Society should progress, but not "at any cost" or "by any means."

There are different reference points in history which teach us different things. Restriction of hate speech is not „moral authoritarianism“, it’s a good protection mechanism. We all know that Americans are obsessed with the ultimate freedom of speech, but, just like some other provisions in American constitution, it’s a not well-thought idea. At the same time Western Europe, which constrains it more, has more democra…

I don't trust anyone in the American context to determine the line between controversial speech and hate speech.
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