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Our highways are free for everyone to use and maintained using tax money. It's not inconceivable that housing could work the same way.
I lived in a country where housing (at the time) was provided by the government. It's not as great as it might sound. Want to move? Do the paper work and wait for a few years. Want a bigger place? too bad. Not to mention single room for the whole family, shared kitchen and washrooms.
Rents for the rich are going down, rents for the poor are going up. Why?
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> 3 months deposit plus 3 months rents upfront You need to come up with 6 month worth of rent to start renting? That's massive. It basically means most would need to borrow that money. Is that supposed to be a good thing? I'm glad that illegal here, that's abusive. Personally I avoided any ad that required more than 2 month total upfront. Thankfully the local market allowed it. If I wanted to put a massive deposit I'…
A lot of people have that on hand in Denmark or can get a loan from their bank. You also don't have to pay rent the last 1 to 3 months for your previous place, so it's not as bad as it sound. People in USA live a lot more paycheck-to-paycheck than in the rest of the world.
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It's crazy that we live in an economy where all you have to do to live until 80 years is pay to live somewhere. We don't even have to hunt our own food.
Unlike food, land simply exists. That's why rents are so abhorrent. You are taxed by nobility simply because its theirs, not because they render any service. For food, you are paying because someone had to perform labor for you. Land can be parceled out using any system people can devise. Rent is completely artificial. Strangely, the people that do nothing for you charge FAR more than the people who hunt for you. An…
You could argue you don't get your moneys worth, but you do get services for them...
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That's horrible to hear, I was only able to get my first apartment in California since I could offer a double deposit. Chicago on the other hand has fantastic housing supply and so many rules on security deposits, most buildings just don't do it. Access to housing permeates every aspect of a culture, people are significantly nicer when they can afford a place to live. Has your friend been able to get out of Californi…
What rules are you referring to regarding security deposits? Are they new? I have had only abusive experiences in Chicago (and, to be fair, Michigan and California) with security deposits.
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> The exception is that discrimination is still totally legal if the person just can't afford the home. It's also important to remember how this applies to school districts. If you exclude the poor from your neighborhood, you also exclude them from your school district. (This explains part of the otherwise unexpected opposition to school vouchers by college-educated affluent Democrats and the support for them by rura…
> This explains part of the otherwise unexpected opposition to school vouchers by college-educated affluent Democrats and the support for them by rural Republicans in bad school districts, when the vouchers would allow students to escape bad school districts. I'm aware of wealthy families wanting the voucher to throw toward private schools (they were never going to send their kids to public schools regardless). Wealt…
The people rich enough to pay for private school tuition without any government subsidy have their own neighborhoods with their own school districts, where everyone else in the district is also that rich and sends their kids to private school and the property taxes are correspondingly less or spent on other things. They've already solved it for themselves.
The people who want school vouchers are the people who want to get into those schools but don't have the money to pay for it after the government takes it from them in property taxes and refuses to let them use it for anything other than sending their kids to a bad school district.
> Then there are the conservatives that dislike public schools because the teachers are in a union, or they believe teachers are liberals, or that they indoctrinate their kids into anit-Capitlist thinking, etc....
These are just specific examples of things that cause a school district to be low quality, e.g. when unions prevent bad teachers from being fired, and cause parents to want a way out of the broken system for their kids.
> Or was it the de-leveraging of the banks, credit default swaps, derivatives and other shady practices by Wall Street?
Recall that all of those things were justified on the basis of "increasing liquidity" etc., i.e. making it easier to own a home, and that their consequence was "give mortgages to everybody regardless of whether they can afford it" because if the bank was going to sell the mortgage to someone else as a derivative or use a CDS then they didn't care if the borrower could pay it back.
Re: Rents for the rich are going down, rents for the poor are going up. Why?
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Interestingly, if landlords were allowed to use larger security deposits, some would choose to do this instead of raising the monthly rent. My friend is looking to rent out an ADU, and the first idea was to have a sizable security deposit in order to filter applicants who fully intended on paying rent from those who would be more likely to use the eviction moratorium. But apparently California tightened the rules aro…
wow, that's not much in case the apartment is damaged. Denmark allows for 3 months deposit plus 3 months rents upfront, so you have to be able to come up with 6 months rent total to get an apartment. (market here is very hot, so rental apartments have no problem getting 6 months rent) When you "quit" living in the apartment, you can use the 3 months prepaid rent, so you don't have to pay rent the last 3 months.
Re: Rents for the rich are going down, rents for the poor are going up. Why?
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> I think the issue is that the article is inflammatory click-bait because it makes it seems like rich people are getting a break while poor people are getting shafted. Why? Do you seriously think that is untrue? Go talk to some poor people. Hell, just talk to someone who is 18-29: there is a 52% chance they are stuck living with their parents[1]. We're definitely getting shafted over here. [1] https://www.pewresearc…
It's just supply and demand. The rich are leaving the cities for suburbs, so more of the higher end apartments are available. Which will lower those rents because there is low demand and high supply. Meanwhile, there is a moratorium on evictions so cheaper apartments are not becoming available at a natural rate. So you have high demand and low supply, which will drive prices up. Of course there are many other factors…
If there weren't a moratorium, then there would be a surge of homelessness. Is that somehow better?
The amount of available high-end apartments never mattered to the people who couldn't afford them. Where the rich people move has literally zero effect on that.
The fact that rich people are leaving "high-end" apartments vacant should demand that rent go down in those apartments. That's what would be happening if supply and demand actually had an effect. Instead, even with significantly fewer tenants, landlords are still able to charge obscene rates for their "high-end" apartments, leaving no supply for the growing population of poor.
So what part of this is inflammatory click-bait? The rich are getting a break (more housing opportunities at lower cost) while the poor are getting shafted (fewer housing opportunities at higher cost).
This isn't just about zoning and NIMBYism. The housing exists, and so do the people who can't afford it. Landlords are simply demanding a higher return than the poor can afford, without a care in the world about homelessness, just as every socialist in history predicted. This is a system of greed, and we desperately need it to change.
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You can't get the same leverage nearly as safely or as easily in the stock market, which is why so many people start to play landlord with second, third, etc, properties that they finance. What changed in the last year is that people want a lot more space which is pulling them out of the "expensive apartment" market and into the "house" market, while also being less concerned about commute distance. So the expensive…
Even with the leverage, it is in most cases still not a good investment. There are a lot of calculator out there that shows you the break even point between renting and buying. You forget all the horrible fees that come with owning a place (HOA, maintenance, property taxes, 6% lost to agents at every transaction)
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Yeah it’s not like it was really that much of his fault or anything (though I found it a bit fishy why he couldn’t get another job). Everyone’s mentality up until ~September was “oh just another month or two then everything will be back to normal”. But my point is how could you expect landlords to rent to anyone without a very stable income? They could be out tens of thousands of dollars.
> though I found it a bit fishy why he couldn’t get another job What line of work was he in? If he lost his job during the pandemic, is it possible there simply were very few jobs available that he was qualified for?
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I lived in a country where housing (at the time) was provided by the government. It's not as great as it might sound. Want to move? Do the paper work and wait for a few years. Want a bigger place? too bad. Not to mention single room for the whole family, shared kitchen and washrooms.
Great point, we should continue to make people sleep on the street