maybe one should consider whether someone should be a board member based on his/her performance as a board member? Not what someone else assumes he/she might believe, based on a misquoted 2nd hand story about someone else's alleged bad behavior. Oh, no, here's "evidence" that he/she might be guilty of wrong-think! Or not defending strongly enough the right-think! TRAITOR!!!
Richard Stallman is coming back to the board of the FSF
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Re: Richard Stallman is coming back to the board of the FSF
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No. He made multiple statements on his website supporting sexual relationships between adults and minors. There was not simply the one statement he made, then retracted. Here is a comment I made two years ago pointing them all out as well as the context by which any reasonable person would consider them to be in support of pedophilia. And while it is true that he made a single comment after the controversy retracting…
No, you are using exaggerations to try to justify an invalid point. Stallman is a scientist, has an inquisitive mind, will question the world, the laws, the establishment, has traveled the world. Petty minds have never understood the language of great minds.
Hello, account that appears to have been created just to write this comment.
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> Stallman is a scientist
False
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> has an inquisitive mind, will question the world, the laws
Yeah, like pedophilia laws. This is not actually desirable in all cases.
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> Petty minds have never understood the language of great minds.
Insulting people won't make your point.
All of Stallman's claims to fame are software that other, more serious CS people wrote. All of them.
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Frankly, just about everyone would be "neurodivergent" in a different culture.
To some extent yes, but have you ever interacted with RMS? His behavior goes way beyond the typical "coder with Asperger's" borderline cases you're thinking of.
Only after one of his talks on software, not in a personal capacity. I didn't observe anything peculiar about his behaviour - except for the deep commitment to free software. But this was nearly a decade ago...
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I have a hard time understanding if your mention of the co-worker was supposed to be an example of someone who misused autism or not? >it's not something you use "neurodivergent" with seriously. what do you use neurodivergent with seriously. I would think not being able to read a room is a big problem? >Like generally there's a lot of disability chic or identity these days; but moderate autism makes it incredibly har…
No, it wasn't a coworker; it was a customer's adult child they left with us now and then more or less to babysit. He didn't misuse it at all; the idea of "neurodivergence" would be impossible for him to get. It was more like "rain man" without any of the mythical savantness; i say moderate because he wouldn't need a full time caregiver and could probably act on his own, but worrying about "reading a room" was impossi…
I mean this in the kindest way possible. I read more closely through this thread, and I’m glad I did.
First, I relate to your feelings of minimizing your own experiences, and your impulse to minimize others’. That’s not just how I felt before I was ready to get help, it’s something so ingrained in me that it’s a repetitive conversation with my family and loved ones since I have.
Second and more importantly, if you do have those symptoms I sincerely hope you’ll consider talking to a professional. The worst thing that happens is you’ll waste a couple hours. The next worst thing that can happen is you might make some sense of why your brain is the way it is, and it might lead to some peace. It’s all up from there.
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Would seem logical. I was alien enough to boys to land at the "girls table" in school canteen when I was 11. Pieces of experience like this could probably help to start considering the possibility.
This is an extremely dangerous and absolutely insane line of reasoning that is causing incredible harm to young people. You don’t have gender dysphoria because you hung out with girls as an 11 year old.
This is an awful way to talk to people about their own experiences.
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The FSF did matter. I was a member, I signed copyright papers and submitted a decent amount of patches to GCC, I went to see Stallman talk. It became clear to me that while I agreed with many of Stallman's aims, I disagreed with how he treated people, particularly women. Also, he actively made decisions that, in my opinion, seriously hurt GCC. So I left.
Again, are we talking about the ideas or Stallman? None of that even moves the needle on how high value the ideas are for me. What we are basically talking about here is solidarity on software freedom. Acting in solidarity means priorities. This is why I am focused on ideas. Liking people is not as high of a priority as the software freedom is. To put it bluntly: even my enemies, "those other people" benefit from gre…
I'll be honest, I'm a bit annoyed you think I care less about software freedom, because I don't like Stallman.
I'd like to separate two things out. I believe it severely hurts the cause of software freedom to have Stallman at the helm. I think software freedom is bigger than any one person, and Stallman has been, for many years, damaging to the cause.
Do you think "the ideas or Stallman" are more important?
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To be blunt, I think a lot of people here misuse autism. The autistic person I had to deal with a lot of times had "difficulty" with social cues in that he was an adult that had no idea of not standing by others when they were working, would endlessly repeat things, was more or less impossible to hold a conversation with, etc. We more or less had to babysit him as impromptu caretakers. It isn't "oh, I don't know how…
Full disclosure: I’m not yet diagnosed ASD, but I have pretty high confidence I will be. The only reason I haven’t pursued it sooner is that the point I acknowledged not just the possibility but the importance of knowing was around the same point I was no longer able to continue at my last job, which was six months ago. So I don’t currently have the resources (insurance) to look further. That said, while I’m not an e…
Like many many old people my late grandmother would very often complain about her bad heart, she had a perfectly healthy heart that would have never gave her any problem, she only stopped complaining about her heart once other health issue started to appear.
My suspicion is that the reason she was often complaining about her heart was that she in part knew that there was no need to be worried about it.
Openly choosing to recognize the existence of a dragon in your life require either bravery, desperation, or finding a costume to put your cat.
I am not specifically replying to you, I was just stimulated by the topic, but I find it ironic that given a debilitating condition being outspoken about it could maean being of two very different end of a spectrum of experiences.
Re: Richard Stallman is coming back to the board of the FSF
#868Speaking for underaged victims everywhere.
Stallman can burn in Hell.
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Ribbonfarm called this a couple years ago: https://www.ribbonfarm.com/2018/03/06/a-quick-battle-field-g... Specifically battlefront #8. He calls it consequential because the the neurodivergent/PC conflict highlights an inherent paradox in the PC worldview. Most applications of political correctness focus (at least on the surface) on defending a marginalized group against the verbal attacks of a privileged one. When a…
It's like this, I've spent a lifetime learning a rulebook by trial and error that everyone else just seems to know . It's absolutely maddening when the rules suddenly change for no discernible reason, often with little warning and grave consequences with no second chances for screwing it up. I see people clamoring for a safe spaces and I wonder where I can find such a thing? (To an extent I can find one at sci-fi, an…
Kids being harmed is always a no no.
Re: Richard Stallman is coming back to the board of the FSF
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I think you and I must be reading that differently and I also think maybe you're forgetting the context of all this. The victims were as young as 11 years old and that was widely known (and surely obvious to the men involved); his comment therefore boils down to "is it REALLY statutory rape if she seems like she's OK with it?" and the answer is, of course, yes. Surely you can understand why people would see that as a…
First of all statutory rape is mostly a US phenomenon. In most other countries something either is a rape or isn't. Second, the term statutory rape is engineered to make people stop thinking and short circuit to "rape". Therefore it's toxic. There's nothing wrong with consensual sex between a 19 yo and a 17 yo. However, in the US they will be put on the rapist list and have their lifes ruined.
As others have pointed out, your specific example is usually covered by the legal system and a strawman in this case - Epstein's friends were middle-aged or old men (Minsky himself was in his seventies when he visited the island), so it's a totally different situation.
The concept of statutory rape recognises the difference between informed and uninformed consent. Children can be coerced or persuaded to consent to things they don't understand, and that are not in their best interests; that's why such laws exist.