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MacBook Owners' Butterfly Keyboard Lawsuit Gets Class Action Certification

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Re: MacBook Owners' Butterfly Keyboard Lawsuit Gets Class Action Certification

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Post by zests »

TheRealSteel wrote: post #57
ayyy wrote: post #56

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Protip: remap capslock to escape. It's supported in the OS settings.

That's what I've done, but I hate having to adjust my typing habit. It's annoying enough that thanks to the touch bar I'm now incapable of typing escape on any other computer (because I'm in the habit of merely touching escape, not pushing it), now I have to adjust again and I'm going to be in the habit of pushing caps lock.

GNU Readline has destroyed my ability to work on non-readline editors. It's worse when I am using a machine where caps lock means caps lock. I have it bound to control (on hold) and escape (on tap). When I typo on a different machine and reflexively type ^A^K to kill the line, it comes out as capital "AK" instead. Repeat multiple times.

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Post by marshmallow_12 »

kube-system wrote: post #75
marshmallow_12 wrote: post #62

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complain as much as you like, and you may be mostly correct. But you overlooked one absolutely brilliant piece of Apple technology: the ipod nano 7. (insert hysterical laughter). Make fun if you want, it's obsolete, only 16gb, poor battery, old bluetooth etc. You are right, but i challenge anyone to show me anything comparable, with such a good touchscreen, that is slim enough that you don't feel it in your pocket .…

What do you need pockets for? Did you forget the 3rd gen iPod Shuffle?

I fail to see any point in the Shuffle. Way too much money for something without a screen. The 7 otoh could have had better specs, but as far as the screen, casing, buttons etc are concerned, it is perfection itself. When i hold it i am aware that it is the most complete product in it's class. For all time. Period. And also, the Shuffle has a clip i think. That pointless, dumb thing that ruined the 6. I doubt ive had much to say about that clip.

Re: MacBook Owners' Butterfly Keyboard Lawsuit Gets Class Action Certification

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Post by FPGAhacker »

ornxka wrote: post #63

Am I the only one who thinks that no travel + tactile feedback actually sound like two highly desirable properties for a keyboard? Whenever I use someone else's butterfly keyboard I'm impressed and a bit jealous, but as I've never used one for long, I can't say whether it's really an improvement.

I actually like the feel, and later versions didn't sound like a thundering herd. But it was just so unreliable that it was completely not worth it.

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Post by SilverRed »

650REDHAIR wrote: post #70
SilverRed wrote: post #20

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I recently had the choice between a macbook pro and a dell xps. Saw the dell xps had HDMI, USB-C _and_ USB-A and was sold. Its nice to be able to bring my laptop in to a meeting room and just be able to plug in the hdmi cable without needing an adapter. Its also really nice to be able to use all my usb c accessories but without having to go usb C only. And its not noticeably thicker than the macbook either. I can und…

My XPS 9550 had two batteries swell and the 2nd time it broke my upper case and trackpad. I replaced the case, trackpad, and keyboard, but Dell won't sell me a battery and their batteries have DRM so you can't use a 3rd party unit. My top of the line, i7, 32gb ram, 2gb gpu, 1tb nvme drive laptop is now no better than a paperweight. When plugged into shore power you can't get max CPU or GPU power and it's an annoying…

This is a horror story and its bigger than just dell. Replacing a macbook battery is virtually impossible as well. IMO this is a problem that needs government action. The right to repair laws should include that ALL consumer electronics which use a battery have a serviceable battery and that parts be sold for x years.

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Post by unfocused »

Super anecdotal comment here, but my down arrow key on my Macbook Air M1 2020 was recently sticking. No spills. Removed it, found nothing, and tried to put it back, but now I've cracked the key. Off to the Apple Genius bar I go. I've had it for nearly 4 months now. Hopefully this is just a one off.

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Post by shepardrtc »

baby wrote: post #45

Both my work macbook pro and my personal macbook air have keyboard issues. My personal skips or double hits the letter “e”, which has been a nightmare because I’ve been writing a book the whole time. My work laptop is worse, the command key doesn’t work most of the time. Sometimes I try to copy something, I’ll hit command-c and instead it’ll overwrite my selection with “c”. So I try to undo and hit command-z, so it’l…

Apple has very specific instructions on their website as to how to use an air duster to clean the keyboard: https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT205662

It works. Fixed my 'e' key, fixed my spacebar, fixed all of them. You have to hold it at weird angles but it works.

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Post by dencodev »

marshmallow_12 wrote: post #62
cletus wrote: post #18

I actually blame Johnny Ive for this clusterf*ck. Ive famously pursued a crusade for thinness. It's said that design is the art of compromise. Well, Ive took a no compromises approach to thinness and it showed. Look no further than the 12" Macbook. One port (also needed for power), lower power CPU and (I believe?) the start of the dreaded butterfly keyboard. IIRC the butterfly keyboard's raison d'etre was to shave ha…

complain as much as you like, and you may be mostly correct. But you overlooked one absolutely brilliant piece of Apple technology: the ipod nano 7. (insert hysterical laughter). Make fun if you want, it's obsolete, only 16gb, poor battery, old bluetooth etc. You are right, but i challenge anyone to show me anything comparable, with such a good touchscreen, that is slim enough that you don't feel it in your pocket .…

My dream smart phone is nano 7 dimensions but with an edge to edge screen

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Post by behnamoh »

TheRealSteel wrote: post #57
ayyy wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Protip: remap capslock to escape. It's supported in the OS settings.

That's what I've done, but I hate having to adjust my typing habit. It's annoying enough that thanks to the touch bar I'm now incapable of typing escape on any other computer (because I'm in the habit of merely touching escape, not pushing it), now I have to adjust again and I'm going to be in the habit of pushing caps lock.

Believe me, you'll love using Caps Lock instead of ESC very soon. I switched the two using Karabiner (for mac) and I wonder how I used computers all those years before that. If you use vim (or vimium on Firefox), you'll absolutely like this change.

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Post by sjwright »

jghn wrote: post #38
spinningarrow wrote: post #33

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Mine too! I loved how incredibly light it was. I never had to think twice about taking it somewhere with me. I rarely used the port for anything other than charging, so it wasn’t too much of a hassle. Definitely disliked the keyboard though (I had the first generation).

I kept mine instead of trading it in for the post-pandemic era. Similar to you, I could throw it in a bag and not even notice it was there. It was perfect for carrying around, traveling, etc.

I have exactly the same feeling about the form factor but even with the maxxed-out spec (2017 with i7 and 16GB of RAM) it feels underpowered even when doing fairly basic tasks. And though I'm sure it's mostly psychological, the keyboard feels delicate.

The M1 Air is a bit bigger, but that two centimetres of width does go to good use with a bigger screen (with more pixels), a bigger trackpad, and a bigger battery.

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