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Re: Why the Wuhan lab leak theory shouldn't be dismissed

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Post by Johnny555 »

kneel wrote: post #66

IMO it's very likely to have originated in a lab leak. It doesn't matter much however since there is no evidence, and any evidence of such will likely be covered up. Being culpable for a disaster on this scale would be unprecedented in the economic reparations, so much so that we'll likely never find the origins.

I think that's how so many conspiracy theories spread. "IMO, I think it's very likely that the moon landings were faked. It doesn't matter since there is no evidence of the fake landings and any evidence of such will likely be covered up, like the way they got scientists to pretend that there are retroreflectors on the moon".

As long as people believe that evidence is covered up, then they can believe anything.

Re: Why the Wuhan lab leak theory shouldn't be dismissed

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Post by x3n0ph3n3 »

Aunche wrote: post #73
crx07 wrote: post #21

This has honestly been my unbiased opinion since essentially day 1. I believe that the release was almost certainly a complete accident, but there's just no realistic chance a novel virus coincidentally originates in the same isolated place as a lab that specializes in that exact same type of virus. The denialists, including the WHO and CDC and everyone else, need to get real and own up to what happened and figure ou…

> there's just no realistic chance a novel virus coincidentally originates in the same isolated place as a lab that specializes in that exact same type of virus Why not? Wuhan is the 43rd largest city in the world. Meanwhile, the earliest cases of CoVid were all connected to the same wet market. Doesn't that have a higher probability being the origin?

Evidence points to it _not_ being from the wet markets in China:

https://www.livescience.com/covid-19-did-not-start-at-wuhan-...

Re: Why the Wuhan lab leak theory shouldn't be dismissed

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Post by tossaway12321 »

crx07 wrote: post #21

This has honestly been my unbiased opinion since essentially day 1. I believe that the release was almost certainly a complete accident, but there's just no realistic chance a novel virus coincidentally originates in the same isolated place as a lab that specializes in that exact same type of virus. The denialists, including the WHO and CDC and everyone else, need to get real and own up to what happened and figure ou…

This is as well my strongly held belief, and the most likely cause.

And people making the really odd responses below. They're, not saying it, but insinuating that the lab would be where there is lots of bat coronavirus? The lab is in the city of Wuhan. A city with a population of 11 million people. This isn't some rural town.

There was a lab that studied this type of coronavirus, had published papers on it. And in a country the size of the USA had an outbreak within just a few miles from that lab. Then the govt came and refused to let anyone outside investigate.

To me that leads pretty strongly that it was an accidental lab leak. And they weren't able to control the spread.

My hopeful opinion is that this leads to more stringent worldwide rules for reporting leaks, and checking of safety practices to avoid this happening again

Re: Why the Wuhan lab leak theory shouldn't be dismissed

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Post by lettergram »

kneel wrote: post #66

IMO it's very likely to have originated in a lab leak. It doesn't matter much however since there is no evidence, and any evidence of such will likely be covered up. Being culpable for a disaster on this scale would be unprecedented in the economic reparations, so much so that we'll likely never find the origins.

If I recall correctly, Fauci’s org funded gain of function research on corona viruses.

https://asiatimes.com/2020/04/why-us-outsourced-bat-virus-re...

Surely they’ve been receiving reports on progress, if so I’m sure there could be a match.

Similarly, I believe there were scientists in India who determined the capsule which deploys the virus into cells looks exactly the same as the HIV mechanism.

https://asia.nikkei.com/Spotlight/Caixin/Scientists-slam-Ind...

This kinda matches people testing positive for HIV in an Australian vaccine trial:

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/11/world/australia/uq-corona...

Re: Why the Wuhan lab leak theory shouldn't be dismissed

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Post by sudosysgen »

roywiggins wrote: post #74
duxup wrote: post #54

I wouldn't dismiss it. I just haven't seen any evidence of it that I think 'proves' it.

Serious coronaviruses have jumped into people like, twice in the last 20 years entirely naturally[0], and so many more people have contact with animals outside of labs than within labs (orders of magnitude!), that it seems much more likely that SARS-CoV-2 jumped the same way than any lab-leak idea. Like, it's physically possible, and it would be important to know if that's what happened- people shouldn't dismiss it!-…

Serious cornaviruses jumped into people probably dozens of times in the last 20 years, and caused 3 epidemics, not two.

Re: Why the Wuhan lab leak theory shouldn't be dismissed

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Post by jtdev »

dang wrote: post #59
jtdev wrote: post #46

That’s curious. I wonder if the frozen seafood origin hypothesis holds any merit, or if it’s just an attempt by the CCP to divert attention from what seems to be the far more likely lab leak hypothesis... I’m inclined to believe that the CCP is being disingenuous.

Please stop posting unsubstantive and/or flamebait comments to HN—especially on divisive topics. The guidelines are clear on this, and we ban accounts that break them repeatedly. Given that we've had to warn you half a dozen times now, it's time for you to review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and fix this.

My apologies, I was simply trying to make a sarcastic observation regarding the ridiculousness of one of the CCP's bogus explanations for the virus origin.

Re: Why the Wuhan lab leak theory shouldn't be dismissed

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Post by loveistheanswer »

softwaredoug wrote: post #84

New coronavirus pandemics like this aren’t novel. It’s thought many of the boring common cold coronaviruses we don’t think much of started as an outbreak sometime in the past crossing animal-human boundaries One common cold coronavirus that circulates around had a common ancestor in 1890. Suspiciously timed with the Russian “Flu” pandemic of 1890-1891[1] (Not that we can just discount the Wuhan lab theory, but a natu…

New coronavirus pandemics like this are novel. Not because it's a coronavirus, but because of how highly adapted and highly transmissible it has been since it was first "discovered". Other such viral outbreaks in recent decades were not nearly as transmissible

Re: Why the Wuhan lab leak theory shouldn't be dismissed

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Post by Leary »

The virus acquired the traits that made it infectious to humans either through natural selection or bio-engineering.

If it was through natural selection, then it was likely such virus was going to cause a pandemic whether it was leaked by the lab or not, since presumably there's a natural reservoir of the virus.

Re: Why the Wuhan lab leak theory shouldn't be dismissed

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Post by ekianjo »

roywiggins wrote: post #85
goatinaboat wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

there's just no realistic chance a novel virus coincidentally originates in the same isolated place as a lab that specializes in that exact same type of virus If it came from somewhere else, why wasn’t the outbreak noticed there first, is the million dollar question. It requires some serious mental gymnastics at this point to believe it didn’t originate in that lab. The only real question is if it was released delibe…

Because winter is flu season, and most of the time the symptoms are impossible to distinguish, even when you're looking? Sure, China has way more public health capacity than it used to, but we know that COVID can spread silently in a community for a month without anyone noticing, even when we are looking. It happened in California and Seattle in January 2020. Why wouldn't that have happened in, say, rural China in Oc…

There were apparently already people with COVID symptoms in Italy back in December 2019. That said, China was already aware of the virus in late 2019. It's all well known.

Re: Why the Wuhan lab leak theory shouldn't be dismissed

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Post by Delk »

tantalor wrote: post #55

Easy answer: it's impossible to prove a negative. In this case, that the lab was not responsible.

You can't prove it, but apparently you can try to find evidence to see if it seems likely:

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2020/03/200317175442.h...

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