This has honestly been my unbiased opinion since essentially day 1. I believe that the release was almost certainly a complete accident, but there's just no realistic chance a novel virus coincidentally originates in the same isolated place as a lab that specializes in that exact same type of virus. The denialists, including the WHO and CDC and everyone else, need to get real and own up to what happened and figure out how to stop it from happening again. This has nothing to do with the PRC or anyone or anywhere else, it could have happened at any biological facility in the world and will eventually happen again somewhere unless scientific honesty and cooler heads prevail.
Why the Wuhan lab leak theory shouldn't be dismissed
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Re: Why the Wuhan lab leak theory shouldn't be dismissed
#22I think it's possible the virus leaked from a lab in China, but it's also possible it was transmitted in the wild a la "wet markets". Either way, regrettably due to Chinese propaganda and tight controls on speech and the press, it is highly unlikely the world will get an open and honest investigation from the Chinese government. The PRC simply cannot be trusted, which sadly has added immense fuel to all conspiracy th…
My own idea is a combination of the two. I wonder if it leaked out of the lab by a lab employee trying to make some money on the side by selling lab animals to the wet market. (Note well: This is just my "seems kind of plausible" guess. I have no actual evidence to support it. And no, it's not actually "my own" idea - I heard it suggested by someone, who also had no evidence that I recall.)
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#23It's very possible and shouldn't be dismissed at all. But we will never know since the CCP has already covered its tracks (not saying it was on purpose, but a clearly an accident covered by the CCP).
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#24This has honestly been my unbiased opinion since essentially day 1. I believe that the release was almost certainly a complete accident, but there's just no realistic chance a novel virus coincidentally originates in the same isolated place as a lab that specializes in that exact same type of virus. The denialists, including the WHO and CDC and everyone else, need to get real and own up to what happened and figure ou…
> there's just no realistic chance a novel virus coincidentally originates in the same isolated place as a lab that specializes in that exact same type of virus.
I think that it is at least somewhat likely that it was the result of the lab's activities, but your assertion here has a huge dose of selection bias.
If the virology labs studying coronaviruses were placed randomly around the world, you'd be correct - but they're not. They're placed near locations where novel coronaviruses have crossed the species barrier in the past, and where they are likely to do so in the future.
It would be equivalent to say that lighthouses cause ships to run aground, because many teams when ships run aground it's near a lighthouse.
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#25The trend of circumstantial evidence continues to favor the lab leak hypothesis. In contrast there is no new circumstantial evidence favoring the natural origin hypothesis.
Reported last year...
US investigating 'hazardous event' in Wuhan lab in October Alleged 'hazardous event' occurred days before Wuhan Military World Games in October
Plus, genetic drift research shows virus first cases in October.
Re: Why the Wuhan lab leak theory shouldn't be dismissed
#26Related - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26389690 (In 2018, US Diplomats Warned of Risky Coronavirus Experiments in a Wuhan Lab - politico.com)
Also - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25640323 (The Lab Leak Hypothesis - nymag.com)
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#27In fact, it is very likely that the virus was brought to China by American soldiers during the military Games held in Wuhan, because there have been patients with similar pneumonia in the United States for a long time, but it has not been taken seriously. It just happened that the Spring Festival travel rush in China led to the widespread outbreak of the virus and was widely paid attention to
Are you joking? > Account created 2 minutes ago Interesting.
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#28Earlier quoted context omitted.
Long before the virus was discovered in China, many people died in the United States because of the mysterious e-cigarette. Now it seems that these people are probably suffering from the new crown virus, but no one noticed it at that time.
Literally a brand new account shilling a US origin theory. This is the internet now.
Please don't. I know it doesn't feel this way, but replying is worse than the original comment.
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Re: Why the Wuhan lab leak theory shouldn't be dismissed
#29Anybody who thinks it should be dismissed has an unwarranted amount of faith in the CCP.
Re: Why the Wuhan lab leak theory shouldn't be dismissed
#30This has honestly been my unbiased opinion since essentially day 1. I believe that the release was almost certainly a complete accident, but there's just no realistic chance a novel virus coincidentally originates in the same isolated place as a lab that specializes in that exact same type of virus. The denialists, including the WHO and CDC and everyone else, need to get real and own up to what happened and figure ou…
> there's just no realistic chance a novel virus coincidentally originates in the same isolated place as a lab that specializes in that exact same type of virus. I think that it is at least somewhat likely that it was the result of the lab's activities, but your assertion here has a huge dose of selection bias. If the virology labs studying coronaviruses were placed randomly around the world, you'd be correct - but t…
> They're placed near locations where novel coronaviruses have crossed the species barrier in the past, and where they are likely to do so in the future.
Are they? I'm not aware of this trend, or of any other major species barrier crossings in Hubei. (If you're thinking of the original SARS, that started in Guangdong, two provinces to the south.)