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Earth may be headed into a mini Ice Age within a decade

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Re: Earth may be headed into a mini Ice Age within a decade

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post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As seemingly benign as a "slightly longer winter" seems, I would venture the consequences of this will be larger than we anticipate.

Indeed, considering that the much-feared "global warming" constitutes an increase of one degree per _century_.

"World temperatures could rise by between 1.1 and 6.4 °C (2.0 and 11.5 °F) during the 21st century" IPCC

So, "one degree per century" is accurate if (a) you clarify you mean Celsius, not Farenheit and (b) you're saying the minimum increase, while also noting the maximum increase could be six times as high.

Re: Earth may be headed into a mini Ice Age within a decade

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If you thought the climate change debate was crazy before, well this will take crazy to a whole new level.

Yes, it either proves that

(a) natural variation in the Earth's climate is far larger than anything we can manage anthropogenically anyway so attempts to cut carbon emissions are a waste of time, or

(b) We're only being saved from CO2-induced global warming by a mini ice-age, therefore it's even more urgent to cut CO2 emissions because temperatures are just gonna shoot up as soon as the ice age ends.

Re: Earth may be headed into a mini Ice Age within a decade

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post #4

For those who don't have time to read the article, "mini Ice Age" literally means that winter will last longer, and be more prevalent at lower altitudes/latitudes. Mildly sensational, but an interesting read.

For those who don't have time to read the article, "mini Ice Age" literally means that winter will last longer, and be more prevalent at lower altitudes/latitudes

Well, that's what "ice age" meant in the days of wooly mammoths too. Longer, colder winters. It just needs to be sustained for a few thousand years before the glaciers start rolling through Central Park.

Re: Earth may be headed into a mini Ice Age within a decade

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What's the confidence on this?

I recall a hub-bub a year or two back because a climate scientist made the scientifically reasonable statement that it was "inconclusive" whether the Earth had warmed in the last 15 years, because the statistical significance of 15 years of data was only at 90%, and scientists like having a 95% confidence before they say something. (With the extra year of data, it is now "conclusive", eg, >95%, that the Earth has warmed since 1995.)

I see 10 or 12 years of data on that graph; what's the confidence based on these measurements that we are entering a mini Ice Age?

Re: Earth may be headed into a mini Ice Age within a decade

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Relevant: http://www.ted.com/talks/david_deutsch_on_our_place_in_the_c...

As David makes the point (at the near end of the video), the best available science in the 1970's predicted that the climate was cooling down. The best available science of today (not the least, with the help of best marketing) would predict Global Warming.

The same best scientific estimates of the day also predict that our best projections to bring down the emissions (which we will not achieve) themselves suffice only to move the disaster point a little further, but not prevent the inevitable.

Re: Earth may be headed into a mini Ice Age within a decade

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The Maunder minimum argument has been around awhile. A useful counterbalance from NASA 2008:

http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/2008/

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"Solar irradiance: The solar output remains low (Fig. 4), at the lowest level in the period since satellite measurements began in the late 1970s, and the time since the prior solar minimum is already 12 years, two years longer than the prior two cycles. This has led some people to speculate that we may be entering a "Maunder Minimum" situation, a period of reduced irradiance that could last for decades. Most solar physicists expect the irradiance to begin to pick up in the next several months — there are indications, from the polarity of the few recent sunspots, that the new cycle is beginning.

However, let's assume that the solar irradiance does not recover. In that case, the negative forcing, relative to the mean solar irradiance is equivalent to seven years of CO2 increase at current growth rates. So do not look for a new "Little Ice Age" in any case. Assuming that the solar irradiance begins to recover this year, as expected, there is still some effect on the likelihood of a near-term global temperature record due to the unusually prolonged solar minimum. Because of the large thermal inertia of the ocean, the surface temperature response to the 10-12 year solar cycle lags the irradiance variation by 1-2 years. Thus, relative to the mean, i.e, the hypothetical case in which the sun had a constant average irradiance, actual solar irradiance will continue to provide a negative anomaly for the next 2-3 years."

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That said, if a Maunder minimum does somehow manage to give us a couple extra decades to get our house in order (before the subsequent recovery of solar activity), that's a godsend. Let's hope it pans out.

Re: Earth may be headed into a mini Ice Age within a decade

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post #10

This is exactly why I think the debate should be less about "how can we as humans stop affecting Earth's natual climate" and "how can we as humans gain control over Earth's natural climate". Climate change happens with us or without us. If we're going to protect our huge investments in climate-dependent infrastructure (i.e. cities) then we're gonna want (say) giant space mirrors to compensate for any zany things that…

"The political problem of who gets to control the Earth's thermostat is, of course, a tricky one."

Understatement of the year. Can you imagine?

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