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Richard Stallman is coming back to the board of the FSF

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Re: Richard Stallman is coming back to the board of the FSF

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Post by thefz »

hutzlibu wrote: post #659
ertian wrote: post #642

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Well that's a hell of a strawman...

"because he is a prominent figure and at the same time white, male" Oh right. I probably confused parent posters words for .. I don't know. Isn't he or she (less likely) exactly saying this? That RMS was targeted because he is white and male and not because of what he did and said? How is that not thinking along the lines of conspiracy? Exaggerated, yes. But strawman? Where exactly?

The fact that one demographic is or is not statistically oppressed does not absolutely warrant for any of its members the impossibility of not being targeted or harassed. And there is a quite large movement of people online "bored" of white old dudes. Let alone the movement trying to undermine meritocracy in the name of inclusion via intersectionality.

Re: Richard Stallman is coming back to the board of the FSF

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Post by Angostura »

honkdaddy wrote: post #667
cmiles74 wrote: post #661

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I find it embarrassing that this is the top comment on this post. Not only is this comment mostly incoherent, it's pretty far from the facts at hand. These aren't hard to find, you can search Google or read the paragraph on Stallman's Wikipedia page.[0] Richard Stallman attempt to defend Marvin Minsky's involvement with Jeffrey Epstein was offensive. CNet[1] has a recap of the email thread (I believe Motherboard firs…

Just to be clear, are you saying that you disagree with Stallman, that we _should_ morally define rape depending on the country it was committed in? That is to say, if a 16yo had sex with an adult in Niagara Falls, ON where the age of consent is 16, then no moral crime had been committed, but if the two crossed over to New York where the law states 17, then the elder of the two is a rapist in your eyes? I believe tha…

The commenter is saying that the poster perhaps deliberately mischaracterised the actual complaints against Stallman to belittle the complaint and that's embarrassing.

Re: Richard Stallman is coming back to the board of the FSF

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Post by PontifexMinimus »

_ov7i wrote: post #665
api wrote: post #616

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I can understand what Stallman meant, but I am not at all surprised at the reaction. This particular case has little to do with him hitting on women around him. This had been happening for decades and most people just rolled their eyes and made fun of him behind his back about it. This had everything to do with MIT's exposure to Epstein. MIT gets outed as having numerous researchers who took money from and traveled w…

"... and Stallman writes an e-mail that sounds very much as if he's obliquely defending Epstein" Complete misinterpretation of what RMS has written about. He defended Minsky, not Epstein.

Yes, but he sounded like he was defending Epstein.

Re: Richard Stallman is coming back to the board of the FSF

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Post by _ov7i »

SamoyedFurFluff wrote: post #653
blacktriangle wrote: post #602

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Hear hear! We as a civilization have an organization for dealing with these kinds of issues, its called the police. If assault happens, immediately go to the police and report your issue. Watching non-law enforcement agencies get involved in criminal matters has been an utter clusterfuck.

I would entirely agree but police also have a horrible track record when it comes to these things. The mob justice happens because the cops can’t be trusted to do justice, and haven’t been shown themselves worthy of that trust for generations when it comes to sexual assault. (Sometimes the cops themselves are the ones doing the assaulting!)

Does mob justice have a wonderful track record? Just because police and justice system are not perfect doesn't mean that the "alternative" is the one that should be considered right.

Re: Richard Stallman is coming back to the board of the FSF

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Post by chousuke »

exikyut wrote: post #625
chousuke wrote: post #365

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Intuitively, it makes sense for something like this to be possible, though I wonder what the trigger is. Drastic change in hormonal balance caused by the transitioning process activating / connecting parts of the brain that were "malfunctioning" previously? Or "just" a result of increased happiness stemming from having dealt with a large problem?Sounds hideously difficult to replicate.

Oh yeah... the dismorphia effect and similar anxieties. Of course. Never experienced any of it myself, didn't realize how big of a potential factor it could be until reading your comment. I was mostly considering the fact that the female hormone, uh, configuration is naturally pro-social, and that dumping that set of hormone balances on the brain promptly elicits the associated responses - ie, that the response (or r…

I'm wary of making assumptions about "natural" differences between males and females, since it's easy to confuse them with cultural stereotypes, ie. what you've learned to think of as "normal" vs. what actually is "normal".

It may well be be that some component that's typically more prevalent in females plays a key role in the development of prosocial tendencies. If such a component were identified, it would be interesting to study its involvement in the development of both males and females.

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Post by doomslice »

Frost1x wrote: post #649
neycoda wrote: post #571

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Is it bad for a man to hit on a woman?

In 2021, yes, it is, or at least that's the set of norms we've created. To be more precise, it's bad for anyone to hit on anyone else unless one omnisciently knows the other party is interested in you and wants to be hit on. As a result, the new forms of dating are that in order to move forward your risk for "making a move" (be it small or large) is not only rejection but also, apparently, potentially career ending f…

> In 2021, yes, it is, or at least that's the set of norms we've created. To be more precise, it's bad for anyone to hit on anyone else unless one omnisciently knows the other party is interested in you and wants to be hit on.

I can't believe anyone seriously thinks this.

It's bad if you're in a position of power and you hit on someone under your influence - doesn't matter if they would reciprocate or not.

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Post by [deleted] »

dralley wrote: post #103
creamytaco wrote: post #34

Stallman is a bastion of software freedom in a world turning progressively dark. The fact that he never ever compromised his ideals and principles, never sold out and has been repeatedly proven prescient and absolutely on the money on countless issues, makes him someone that we should strive to protect. There are many invididuals in the Free Software world that backstabbed RMS and tried to destroy him with malicious…

Why should they apologize? Everything they say is true. GNU software absolutely has been stagnating for the past 2 decades under Stallman's leadership. It is a little known fact that in 2005, there was an offer to merge the LLVM project into GCC, and assign the entire copyright to GNU. The patches to do so were even submitted. [0] They were rejected [1], because GNU wasn't interested in producing a modular compiler.…

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Re: Richard Stallman is coming back to the board of the FSF

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Post by pseudalopex »

hn8788 wrote: post #42
bigtones wrote: post #22

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Are they.... here is a direct quote from him on a pro-pedophilia political party in 2006 that many that people took offence with: “I am sceptical of the claim that voluntarily pedophilia harms children. The arguments that it causes harm seem to be based on cases which aren’t voluntary, which are then stretched by parents who are horrified by the idea that their little baby is maturing.” https://thenextweb.com/dd/2019…

When taken out of context it looks bad, but when it's part of a broader discussion about morality and law not always matching up, it makes sense. Age of consent laws vary around the world, and it doesn't make sense why someone could legally have consensual sex with someone in one country, but if they had sex in a place with different age of consent laws, they'd be branded a pedophile.

It wasn't part of a broader discussion.[1] And he wasn't talking about adolescents.[2]

[1] https://stallman.org/archives/2006-mar-jun.html#05%20June%20...

[2] https://stallman.org/notes/2019-jan-apr.html#25_April_2019_(...

Re: Richard Stallman is coming back to the board of the FSF

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Post by temp8964 »

SamoyedFurFluff wrote: post #653
blacktriangle wrote: post #602

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hear hear! We as a civilization have an organization for dealing with these kinds of issues, its called the police. If assault happens, immediately go to the police and report your issue. Watching non-law enforcement agencies get involved in criminal matters has been an utter clusterfuck.

I would entirely agree but police also have a horrible track record when it comes to these things. The mob justice happens because the cops can’t be trusted to do justice, and haven’t been shown themselves worthy of that trust for generations when it comes to sexual assault. (Sometimes the cops themselves are the ones doing the assaulting!)

Yeah. Unless cops are all saints we should rely on mob justice.

Re: Richard Stallman is coming back to the board of the FSF

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Post by DonHopkins »

compiler-guy wrote: post #647
noobermin wrote: post #470

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Were there any allegations of him doing unwanted flirting? This post seems to be conflating rms' cancellation with other people's unwanted behavior.

His inappropriate behavior toward women is well documented. One example where women traded advice on how to keep him away. https://mobile.twitter.com/starsandrobots/status/99426727746...

>Star Simpson @starsandrobots Replying to @corbett

>I remember being walked around campus by an upperclassman getting advice during my freshman year at MIT. "Look at all the plants in her office," referring to a professor. "All the women CSAIL professors keep massive amounts of foliage" s/he said. "Stallman really hates plants."

Star is correct: RMS really hates plants, and is afraid of trees.

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