We need a minimum living wage for YouTube creators? Or it should be completely demonetized /s. Another mindless incarnation of the outrage template
YouTube and Patreon Still Aren’t Paying the Rent for Most Creatives
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#102Why should these creators deserve to be paid more? Making money on YouTube and Patreon is a privilege not a right. Yes the big creators make a lot of money, but that's because a lot of users are watching them. If someone is trying to make a career out of YouTube while only making $10,000 a year then the only problem is the person trying to make a career out of that. Making $10,000 on YouTube at all puts you well far…
I can see your argument. On the other hand, the article mentions people who work for companies like Buzzfeed and other agencies, creating extremely successful web content for them, having to work shifts at night on top of their media jobs. That sounds unacceptable to me: I am pretty sure the company employing them can afford them a living wage, and it looks a lot like exploitation.
people who work for companies like Buzzfeed and other
agencies, creating extremely successful web content for
them, having to work shifts at night on top of their
media jobs.
If a job doesn't pay enough (according to any metric) move on to a better paying job. If an industry or a field doesn't pay enough, move on to another field/industry.
At one point one must be honest enough to admit "this isn't working" or "this barely works, It's not wise to live like this".
[1] a similar scenario: van life. there was a fad where a lot of people were trying to get a lifestyle income by living in a van and blogging about that (instagram, youtube, twitter and stuff like that). needless to say, after a while a wave of videos about "the truth of vanlife" has come up. Once again, people don't realize that for one person managing to achieve a huge success, another thousand (or more) will fail, possibly with consequences.
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#103Earlier quoted context omitted.
> The problem really is that there's not enough revenue generated, to pay people producing the content. > Even youtube is run at a loss (only offset by the valuable data they collect for google i suppose). YouTube generates $15B in revenue. [1] I'm sure in the early years when they first acquired YouTube, they ran it at a loss. However, as far as I am aware, Google has never stated whether or not YouTube is profitabl…
if youtube was running at a profit, i would have expected alphabet's financial reports to jump at pointing it out. They have never done so, and odds are that it looks really bad from a financial reporting perspective, even tho the user data it can collect is very valuable (but it cannot count as revenue, since there's no marketable value for such data atm).
Well, Google doesn't list out profitability of any of their products these days either [1]:
> Alphabet isn’t providing profitability numbers, limiting its operating income (or loss) reporting to Google and “Other Bets,”
...so it's all mostly posturing at this point. The only thing we really know is that YouTube generates billions in revenue on a quarterly basis.
[1] https://www.cnbc.com/2020/02/03/google-still-isnt-telling-us...
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#104Earlier quoted context omitted.
If they're not getting paid enough they should stop doing it. If enough of them stop doing it, then the rest will start to get paid more.
It's the exact same argument I keep making about tipping - if only everyone everywhere stopped tipping overnight, this stupid system would disappear. Underpaid waiters and drivers would find other jobs because suddenly without tips they wouldn't be able to support themselves. I am also surprised that no one has seen the wisdom of my words yet :P
The situation you advocate for is common practice in many countries.
I'm likely missing nuances, but to me it seems that the key culprit is minimum wage laws in many US states having an exception for restaurant personnel. If a minimum wage was unconditional and high enough to live from, you wouldn't need tips to survive.
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#105We need a minimum living wage for YouTube creators? Or it should be completely demonetized /s. Another mindless incarnation of the outrage template
Just a minimum living wage for everyone, so that people don't have to invent for themselves a failed career in entertainment, in order to escape unemployment/wage slavery.
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#106We need a minimum living wage for YouTube creators? Or it should be completely demonetized /s. Another mindless incarnation of the outrage template
Just a minimum living wage for everyone, so that people don't have to invent for themselves a failed career in entertainment, in order to escape unemployment/wage slavery.
Sure UBI is a valid idea. Trying to create such a system by forcing YouTube to implement it is not productive imo
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#107Earlier quoted context omitted.
Just a minimum living wage for everyone, so that people don't have to invent for themselves a failed career in entertainment, in order to escape unemployment/wage slavery.
Sure UBI is a valid idea. Trying to create such a system by forcing YouTube to implement it is not productive imo
Never said so. Even tho, if big corps paid their fair share in taxes, instead of using foreign tax havens, it would be way easier to find the resources for a UBI.
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#108Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's the exact same argument I keep making about tipping - if only everyone everywhere stopped tipping overnight, this stupid system would disappear. Underpaid waiters and drivers would find other jobs because suddenly without tips they wouldn't be able to support themselves. I am also surprised that no one has seen the wisdom of my words yet :P
The situation you advocate for is common practice in many countries. I'm likely missing nuances, but to me it seems that the key culprit is minimum wage laws in many US states having an exception for restaurant personnel. If a minimum wage was unconditional and high enough to live from, you wouldn't need tips to survive.
The US has a big cultural expectation of tipping, so even though the entire west coast, NYC, Chicago, and Washington DC have gotten rid of lower tipped minimum wages and effectively increased wages for waitstaff, almost all people still tip in all of those places. Even more, over the years, the standard tip amount has moved from 10% to 15% to now what seems like wide support for 20%. Not to mention that large portions of the population now tip for non waited transactions too.
It gets even crazier when you go out with people and they look at you like you’re cheap for calculating tip on pre tax amounts. There’s a lot of pride in the US for tipping, as if it’s a status symbol.
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Have they? I haven’t seen a single promotion on YouTube telling me I could make a living being a content creator. I think people hype them selves up about it when they see the top 0.5% on YouTube and think they can be the same. Nowhere have I seen YouTube lie or mislead about this. The problem is there are simply too many content creators. We don’t need “generic lets play guy 373628”. There is more than enough conten…
I mean, fine, YouTube doesn't get out with a bullhorn and yell "Make a Living with Videos!", but their incentives make it seem like a path to stardom. "Too many content creators" isn't a problem. "Too much bad content" is.
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#110Earlier quoted context omitted.
People seem to believe the magical internet economy will make you rich. There's a big content creator in my country who's barely earning 5000 dollars from it.
> People seem to believe the magical internet economy will make you rich This is the entire founding belief of YC (and a huge swath of “VC culture” and Hacker News in general). Look at how many “businesses” promoted here have no meaningful revenue and no real ideals for how to monetize.
It’s not magical, it’s simply a market where technology allows for extremely low marginal costs so if you can launch your business over a high moat (such as overcoming network effects with tons of cash), then you can print money once you are entrenched.