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Richard Stallman is coming back to the board of the FSF

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Re: Richard Stallman is coming back to the board of the FSF

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Do the rich swear more in France, or the poor?

I too wonder. One thing that I found quite interesting when moving to France was how casual everybody, even high school teachers, was with swearwords.

Not sure where you are from originally, but the US is fairly unique in the world when it comes to these things.

Re: Richard Stallman is coming back to the board of the FSF

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> But it is a coherent philosophy on it's own, it's not some incoherent thing that makes sense only as self-interest of big corporations. I don't dispute the fact that it is coherent, but it is serving the interest of big corporations. Could you explain why do you think it doesn't? > Open source from the start as envisioned by rms and others was about creating software that users could use as they choose, including a…

I don't know how useful it is to continue this I don't think we're going to get anywhere else, but I wanted to defend myself against your accusation and say that I do not work for a "big corporation", I work for a small non-profit, intentionally (and making less money than I probably could if I were trying to maximize my income, but enough money, and I get to write open source on the clock).

Fair enough. I think I am onto something but I am unable to argue it well yet. It's good to see other perspectives.

Re: Richard Stallman is coming back to the board of the FSF

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No. If you go back and look at that accusation, it was that he was propositioning people for sex in the halls of MIT, AND he had a mattress in his office.

> propositioning people for sex in the halls of MIT you are going to need to cite that. the only accusations of 'sexual harassment' i have seen are asking women at conferences on dates.

That counts as harassment in my opinion if it happens without at least some reasonable reason to believe the women may be interested in dating him, if he persists with a given woman after she doesn't respond with interest, if there is any sort of power dynamic or other coercive context in place that might make the woman feel not free to decline without social or professional penalty (within a community like the free software world this obstacle would often be present in relation to someone like RMS who is prominent within that community), if he makes a habit of propositioning people in professional contexts, or if he asks women out in unprofessional ways like inappropriate touching. If none of these patterns occur, it's probably not harassment, but I suspect he does some of them.

And if it is harassment, I'd probably say it's sexual harassment since it relates to unwanted seeking of romantic or sexual relationships in a professional environment.

Re: Richard Stallman is coming back to the board of the FSF

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Canada only raised their age of consent from 14 to 16 in 2008. I don't think Canada should be cancelled as a result of this.

Legal age of consent isn't the same as being moral. These are two separate things. Nobody is saying we should 'cancel' Canada for having bad laws in the past. IMO this is a really weak argument.

It is amazing how you equate a fairly random and unusual aspect of US law to "being moral".

Re: Richard Stallman is coming back to the board of the FSF

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I think you and I must be reading that differently and I also think maybe you're forgetting the context of all this. The victims were as young as 11 years old and that was widely known (and surely obvious to the men involved); his comment therefore boils down to "is it REALLY statutory rape if she seems like she's OK with it?" and the answer is, of course, yes. Surely you can understand why people would see that as a…

First of all statutory rape is mostly a US phenomenon. In most other countries something either is a rape or isn't. Second, the term statutory rape is engineered to make people stop thinking and short circuit to "rape". Therefore it's toxic. There's nothing wrong with consensual sex between a 19 yo and a 17 yo. However, in the US they will be put on the rapist list and have their lifes ruined.

Your close-in-age example among people who are near the age of majority is quite morally different than an adult having sex with an 11-year-old. Some US states even have close-in-age exceptions to keep cases like your example legal, and the most common age of consent in the US for purposes of sex is 16, although certain states do have it at 18.

Re: Richard Stallman is coming back to the board of the FSF

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This was not mob justice. There was decades of poor behavior here, he wasn't pushed out because of this singular event. https://medium.com/@thomas.bushnell/a-reflection-on-the-depa...

So 0.0001% of his messages, most of which were said at a time when the Internet/Usenet was an innocent substitute for the local pub, are offensive to some. And we say that's "decades of poor behavior"! 80% of the population says random stuff that is a 100x worse at parties. It this article is not an impersonation, it is pretty sad that such self-righteous and intransigent statements come from a Gregorian friar: https…

Anyone that has worked for/closely with the FSF or with GNU leadership knows that RMS has a long history of bad behavior across a number of facets. Leaving aside controversial public statements, he was not a good President and I'm glad he's not anymore.

Re: Richard Stallman is coming back to the board of the FSF

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I wish FSF also started caring about the developers. Free software was and is a great idea, but unintended consequence is that it also facilitates exploitation of software developers by big corporations who from the perspective of FSF are just users as regular people. This means they make billions off of a software who someone built in their rented flat, living a modest life, sometimes struggling with bills, meanwhil…

You make the developers sound like helpless individuals unable to adopt a software licence that gives them what they want, and that need people to save them from ruin. They obviously want everyone and anyone to use their software and don't care who makes money from it, if its licenced that way. They can licence it so it excludes large corporations, or even demand recompense under certain situations, such as company s…

In many countries it is illegal to work for free - companies have to pay you minimum wage regardless if you agree to not be paid. In a way this open source model provides a loophole through which companies can exploit developers or it puts developers who would love to contribute to open source into disadvantage. I think we need changes in law to ensure even if people want their work to be used for free to be reimbursed. This way if you want to work on open source you won't have to worry how you are going to pay your bills. I need to think how to argue this better and make politicians aware of this issue. Take a look how big corporations were able to amass such wealth - they don't pay taxes like small businesses do and they don't pay salaries for R&D as much as they should, because there is always that open source project to appropriate, so why pay?

Re: Richard Stallman is coming back to the board of the FSF

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I think you and I must be reading that differently and I also think maybe you're forgetting the context of all this. The victims were as young as 11 years old and that was widely known (and surely obvious to the men involved); his comment therefore boils down to "is it REALLY statutory rape if she seems like she's OK with it?" and the answer is, of course, yes. Surely you can understand why people would see that as a…

First of all statutory rape is mostly a US phenomenon. In most other countries something either is a rape or isn't. Second, the term statutory rape is engineered to make people stop thinking and short circuit to "rape". Therefore it's toxic. There's nothing wrong with consensual sex between a 19 yo and a 17 yo. However, in the US they will be put on the rapist list and have their lifes ruined.

Most US states have “Romeo and Juliet” laws that specifically exempt cases like this where the two are close in age but one is past the line.
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