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Re: The absolute worst scenario happened

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This reminds me of when the Danish mega-corp Maersk was attacked by ransomware and had all of their computers locked and decrypted with no access. All computers except one, which due to a power failure had been offline the whole time. This computer had the critical DNS information needed to restore the network. Only problem: it was in Africa, in a country that required Visa which would take weeks to apply for and rec…

Sounds very interesting, but the story seems to be behind a paywall. I found some other articles[0][1] related to the incident, however none of them seem to mention the flying of a hard drive across continents. 0: https://www.zdnet.com/article/ransomware-the-key-lesson-maer... 1: https://portswigger.net/daily-swig/when-the-screens-went-bla...

There’s a capture in the Wayback Machine: https://web.archive.org/web/20180822190926/https://www.wired...

Re: The absolute worst scenario happened

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post #164

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For $1M they can get the new version of the same system installed and likely get a step by step walkthrough of the whole thing by any number of new engineers they want. Also it's a public hospital - for a fraction of $1M they could get people who's only job is to replicate that system running around with pen and paper - they wouldn't have $1M to just drop on a support issue the same day. In context of this case - if…

>For $1M they can get the new version of the same system installed and likely get a step by step walkthrough of the whole thing by any number of new engineers they want. A new system isn't going to do them much good when they don't even know who their customers are. I doubt any customer is going to hang around for a year while you rebuild your system from scratch, ignoring the fact that if they're an MSP the customer…

> Hospital? He said they're an MSP on reddit:

This thread is about a different case.

Re: The absolute worst scenario happened

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post #134

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am in the Netherlands, and my current contract stipulates that should they want to get rid of me, the company has to notify me 4 months in advance, whereas should I want to leave, I need to notify them 2 months in advance. Do you have any sources on the legality of different notice periods in Europe?

The legal situation in Switzerland would (probably) allow for this. What it wouldn't allow is the reverse agreement. I.e. you can be fired in 2 month, but have to give 4 month notice. There are three types of employment laws herearound: - Statutes can be changed freely if both agree - They can be changed only to the employees advantage. For example: minimum vacation days are 20 days. A contract can stipulate 30 days,…

Adding to this great comment.

Switzerland, default rules regarding termination (if I recall correctly). * first month of work, 0 second notice * rest of the first year of work, 1 month notice * second year of work, 2 months notice * years after third, 3 months notice

Impossible to terminate: pregnant women, before and also during the legal maternity leave. Common termination is the day upon returning to the office.

Personnel called up for the army or civil defence. People on a fixed contract.

Employer must give notice but may be without reasons. Without reasons often leads to lawsuits, because terminated will claim one of the illegal (discrimination etc) reasons applies. Still cost of a lawsuit is normally not prohibitive.

In case of critical financial issue termination maybe shorter (mass-layoffs).

Re: The absolute worst scenario happened

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post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It does say in the original post that: > Our backups are fucked. So I assume that they have already tried and they didn't work.

Early in my career (>30 years) ago I nuked a companies salary database (a missing $ in a shell script moved everything to the file i) No problem they said - we have backups. They had three tapes. First tape failed. Second tape failed. Third tape worked. In retrospect that was a useful, if rather stressful, lesson.

>a missing $ in a shell script moved everything to the file i

I've always had anxiety when running a shell script, this is a perfect example of why

Re: The absolute worst scenario happened

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50% of companies who lose all of their data go out of business within 6 months. They clearly failed to test their backups with regularly-tested restores. And, a separate alternative system should've had multiple revisions of critical pieces of information like customers, assets, inventory, bank accounts, debts, and employees. A data recovery shop could attempt to forensically-reconstruct SMS numbers. Look for logs an…

They didn't fail to test their backups. They tested them, they didn't work, and then they said "this is fine".

Oh my, I missed that, thanks. I can envision the dog in the burning house meme. Ouch!

Re: The absolute worst scenario happened

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50% of companies who lose all of their data go out of business within 6 months. They clearly failed to test their backups with regularly-tested restores. And, a separate alternative system should've had multiple revisions of critical pieces of information like customers, assets, inventory, bank accounts, debts, and employees. A data recovery shop could attempt to forensically-reconstruct SMS numbers. Look for logs an…

Reaching people seems like the least of their problems to be honest. If they use a payroll service, they'll have addresses--don't know about Europe but does just about any company do their own payroll in the US at this point? In any case, I assume most people know how to reach most of their direct reports and many of their co-workers. Especially at a fairly small company, I would think you could reconstruct contact info on employees fairly quickly.

Of course, that may not help with the bigger problem.

Re: The absolute worst scenario happened

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Tangent Alert! I have a 3 months resignation period, so I can't even leave... Maybe it's my (US) American experience, but being unable to quit a job strikes me as a terrible policy. This guy(gal?) is really required to submit 3 months notice or face some sort of repercussions (financial, I assume)? Does this 3 month period apply in reverse (employer can't fire employees without a full 3 month warning)? Not that the A…

UK here. Terminology may differ, I think what is being discussed is a notice period. Normally a resignation is either accepted or rejected pretty much on the spot and if accepted is officially seen as a more amicable departure.

Handing in your notice to leave is something the employer cannot reject. Depending on circumstances you might try to resign first. Sometimes you may be "asked to resign"[0] and made a nice offer to encourage you to do so, offer will almost always have an NDA attached to it.

[0] this can be preferable to the company as it can be quieter than sacking you

> This guy(gal?) is really required to submit 3 months notice or face some sort of repercussions (financial, I assume)?

Yes. The worst they can do is take you to court for breach of contract though. That can be expensive and embarrassing for both parties so unless they are whiter than white[1] or bitter enough companies often don't bother.

Potentially a big risk to take though. And in an industry that is hardly free from nepotism, you probably don't want the reputation of being someone who walked that way.

Three months is most common in skilled jobs, one month otherwise. In retail work and other low-skilled professions two weeks is not uncommon, though here people often do just walk away as the hassle of chasing them for breach of contract is massively not worth it.

[1] i.e. there is nothing you can say on public record that looks bad for them going forward

> Does this 3 month period apply in reverse (employer can't fire employees without a full 3 month warning)?

Yes. What usually happens if they want to have you gone without notice and don't want to make you an offer to resign "amicably" is that they put you on gardening leave. You are still employed and paid for the notice period but are told to stay home. They can't stop you looking for new work[2] as long as you don't do it "on their time"[3] but you can't start new work without resigning and them accepting that resignation until the end of notice period without the same risks as if you had just walked out without notice yourself[4].

Gardening leave can also happen when you hand in your notice, though if you want to leave and the company wants you to leave then they'll just agree to waive the notice period.

[2] Some contracts have clauses that say otherwise, those clauses are not legally enforcible. Some even have clauses saying you have to actively look for new work, these too are not legally enforceable. [3] Which is impossible for them to prove unless perhaps they have you check-in regularly while you garden. [4] Though they are likely accept the resignation as at that point they can stop paying you for the notice period, unless you are going to work for a competitor, or they otherwise feel like being dicks about it.

Re: The absolute worst scenario happened

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

A "firefighting" consultancy might be fun, no? And you would give people a lot of time off!

> A "firefighting" consultancy might be fun, no? It is... interesting. I have been doing this over last 4 years. The biggest problem, as I pointed out before, is the disconnect between what companies claim they would do to fix the problems vs. what they would actually do. So ~90% of selling is repeatedly explaining the same things to different people whose jobs are in the eminent danger of being restructured/depriori…

hopefully you can skip most of those people and talk to the people who are in danger of being eliminated if your services are NOT engaged?

Re: The absolute worst scenario happened

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post #96

Tangent Alert! I have a 3 months resignation period, so I can't even leave... Maybe it's my (US) American experience, but being unable to quit a job strikes me as a terrible policy. This guy(gal?) is really required to submit 3 months notice or face some sort of repercussions (financial, I assume)? Does this 3 month period apply in reverse (employer can't fire employees without a full 3 month warning)? Not that the A…

European here. Having 3 months written in your contract (and in many countries by law, like France) is pretty common. You can still quit if both parties agree. I've done it before. The clause is there to avoid this type of scenario where a key employee just says fuck it and leave. It works both ways. So a company can say fuck it and fire you just because they want to. It's a fantastic system. It can be exploited, but…

> The clause is there to avoid this type of scenario where a key employee just says fuck it and leave.

If they are at the "fuck it" point, what's going to force them to be useful and productive during the forced 3 month notice period?

Re: The absolute worst scenario happened

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post #106
post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

European here. Having 3 months written in your contract (and in many countries by law, like France) is pretty common. You can still quit if both parties agree. I've done it before. The clause is there to avoid this type of scenario where a key employee just says fuck it and leave. It works both ways. So a company can say fuck it and fire you just because they want to. It's a fantastic system. It can be exploited, but…

> So a company can say fuck it and fire you "Can't", right? Otherwise it sounds like American at-will employment.

Right, missing "not".

The law mandates that the firing notice period cannot be shorter than the resignation notice period.

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