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As U.S. schools shuttered, student mental health cratered, survey finds

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Re: As U.S. schools shuttered, student mental health cratered, survey finds

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Post by austincheney »

silvi9 wrote: post #391
fullshark wrote: post #377

The fallout of all of this will take years to unravel, and it all likely points to overkill. Was it justified given uncertainty (i.e. prepare for the p90 or p95 outcome)? Possibly. But what I saw from the leadership class the last year was a complete disregard for the concerns of the little people and their livelihoods. Once things got politicized re: Trump, the most polarizing american political figure of my lifetim…

Gen Z today are becoming increasingly more isolated; the long-term effects of this are yet to be known and could be serious. But it angers me that this is often an issue that's overlooked, especially when it's such a prevalent one. It's truly disturbing to think of the little regard there is for the mental health of young people, especially in an age fraught with enough social isolation as it is. Gen Z will be foreve…

If social isolation were a real concern for people they would get off their damn phones and drastically reduce their access to social media. Blaming this entirely on the pandemic is sorely misplaced and not a solution.

Re: As U.S. schools shuttered, student mental health cratered, survey finds

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Post by CryptoPunk »

nostrademons wrote: post #339
CryptoPunk wrote: post #336

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The vulnerable voluntarily self-isolating, while the less vulnerable live more normal lives, is a very desireable outcome, and much better than a blanket lockdown, which imposes restrictions on large subsections of the population which are not vulnerable.

Depends on your threat model. If you're worried about old people dying from COVID directly, then yes, it makes sense. If you're worried about the hospitals being overwhelmed and then people dying from car crashes and heart attacks, then targeted self-isolation of vulnerable people isn't going to help as much. As a healthy 30-something, my chance of dying from COVID is about 1:3000, about 300x better than an 80-year-o…

Interesting point.

One thing I'd add is that the loss of education and economic wealth from the lockdown is going to impact life expectancy for years to come, so that also needs to be taken into account.

Re: As U.S. schools shuttered, student mental health cratered, survey finds

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Post by freddealmeida »

I'm rather against the lockdowns, shutting of schools and businesses or gathering. As adults we should be able to judge correctly based on real data. I think people just lost touch with what makes them human. They should never have agreed to any of this for the mild security they gained. I can go into detail why but it won't convince anyone. You have to look yourself.

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Post by lambdaba »

freddealmeida wrote: post #493

I'm rather against the lockdowns, shutting of schools and businesses or gathering. As adults we should be able to judge correctly based on real data. I think people just lost touch with what makes them human. They should never have agreed to any of this for the mild security they gained. I can go into detail why but it won't convince anyone. You have to look yourself.

I agree, we only went this way because the discussion about the downsides never had a chance, but I was easy to speculate about the potential upsides (this is also why I believe a large part of the public is clinging on to the narrative that they did, because we can't / won't conceive of them being ineffectual or even detrimental, it wouldn't be "fair").

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Post by gizmo »

bumbada wrote: post #486

It is really nothing particular about schools. In Spain the first day schools were closed children started playing on the streets, or playing basketball and soccer(you can play soccer anywhere). They were quite happy doing that. Then the authorities said: No, no no! Kids must stay in house all day, closed all public spaces, something contranature for kids. It was the get "in house", secluded, don't do anything social…

> You can go in a bus or car with mask if people don't talk and introduce air from the outside.

Don't talk don't breathe wear two masks don't leave the house we're all gonna die.

In reality kids are not an at-risk group and there used to be a healthcare maxim "first, do no harm". When did it become OK to hurt one group (young healthy people) in exchange for hypothetical benefits to another group?

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Post by frockington1 »

lambdaba wrote: post #494
freddealmeida wrote: post #493

I'm rather against the lockdowns, shutting of schools and businesses or gathering. As adults we should be able to judge correctly based on real data. I think people just lost touch with what makes them human. They should never have agreed to any of this for the mild security they gained. I can go into detail why but it won't convince anyone. You have to look yourself.

I agree, we only went this way because the discussion about the downsides never had a chance, but I was easy to speculate about the potential upsides (this is also why I believe a large part of the public is clinging on to the narrative that they did, because we can't / won't conceive of them being ineffectual or even detrimental, it wouldn't be "fair").

Not just never stood a chance, socially outlawed. Last year you were bigoted, racist, un-eductated etc.. if you dared to think differently than the state Science of the time.

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Post by codingdave »

fullshark wrote: post #377

The fallout of all of this will take years to unravel, and it all likely points to overkill. Was it justified given uncertainty (i.e. prepare for the p90 or p95 outcome)? Possibly. But what I saw from the leadership class the last year was a complete disregard for the concerns of the little people and their livelihoods. Once things got politicized re: Trump, the most polarizing american political figure of my lifetim…

I do recall talk about "overkill" at the beginning - that if we were doing enough, it would look like overkill by the time it was done. Likewise, if it did not look like overkill, we could have done better and saved more lives.

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Post by Peckingjay »

SiempreViernes wrote: post #489
bumbada wrote: post #486

It is really nothing particular about schools. In Spain the first day schools were closed children started playing on the streets, or playing basketball and soccer(you can play soccer anywhere). They were quite happy doing that. Then the authorities said: No, no no! Kids must stay in house all day, closed all public spaces, something contranature for kids. It was the get "in house", secluded, don't do anything social…

Sure, but the entire point of closing the schools is to force the kids to stay home (or at least stay isolated from others) so just accept the terms mean basically the same thing.

Having 30-ish (or more) children crammed inside a classroom is not the same as having smaller groups of children play together outside in terms of potential transmission.

Re: As U.S. schools shuttered, student mental health cratered, survey finds

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Post by frockington1 »

threeseed wrote: post #481
antiterra wrote: post #348

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I'll express another one: I think the whole thing about "ZOMG! Suicide rates through the roof!!!elevelty!1!" is blown out of proportion Tacky childish mocking of valid concern over the mental health of children, some of whom are truly not doing well, is a garbage take. There are kids crying on a daily basis because of this Zoom shit and the expectations placed on them. While they will (likely) survive, it’s not goo…

You need to put it in the context of over 500,000 Americans dead from COVID. A proportion of which are directly and indirectly caused by the behaviour of young people. So yes mental health of children is important but for many people not as important as staggering numbers of people dying.

That context makes it seem worse. We are making children lose an entire year of education because 0.1% of Americans died, most of which are old and fat. Should we shut down every year for obesity?

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Post by Craighead »

gizmo wrote: post #495
bumbada wrote: post #486

It is really nothing particular about schools. In Spain the first day schools were closed children started playing on the streets, or playing basketball and soccer(you can play soccer anywhere). They were quite happy doing that. Then the authorities said: No, no no! Kids must stay in house all day, closed all public spaces, something contranature for kids. It was the get "in house", secluded, don't do anything social…

> You can go in a bus or car with mask if people don't talk and introduce air from the outside. Don't talk don't breathe wear two masks don't leave the house we're all gonna die. In reality kids are not an at-risk group and there used to be a healthcare maxim "first, do no harm". When did it become OK to hurt one group (young healthy people) in exchange for hypothetical benefits to another group?

Children carry the virus to those that are at risk.

I'm curious if anti fact people like yourself existed the last time there was a plague. Maybe there wouldn't be plagues without anti fact people

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