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As U.S. schools shuttered, student mental health cratered, survey finds

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Re: As U.S. schools shuttered, student mental health cratered, survey finds

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Post by manwe150 »

olliej wrote: post #429
JoshuaDavid wrote: post #399

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So do you think Florida is lying and underestimating the number of COVID deaths to greater extent than California is, or the California is exaggerating the number of COVID deaths, or maybe that there's a difference in behavior between Floridians and Californians (maybe California had stricter laws but Floridians act more responsibly in terms of disease prevention). If you don't have such an explanation, and Californi…

Because lockdowns only work if you actually lockdown. That and yes, FL clearly lied and has fired people for indicating correct numbers. This is not helped by many US states that try to record CV19 deaths as being due to "underlying conditions" instead of covid. If you go to hospital due to covid, and then die, whatever other conditions you have aren't relevant, covid is what killed you.

Or maybe something like temperature or humidity, since California is also doing much worse than Florida (27% v 17%) for simple excess deaths this year: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/01/14/us/covid-19-d...

I think it is clear we still don’t understand fully the driving risk and safety factors across different regional areas, let alone continents and hemispheres. I don’t know how we ever could at this time or what we could do about it.

Edit: And examining average death rate instead provides a different story as well: https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2021-03-09/covid-19...

Re: As U.S. schools shuttered, student mental health cratered, survey finds

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Post by lazyasciiart »

tehjoker wrote: post #431
kibibyte wrote: post #403

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Where can I find a source for this? This is new information to me, and searching "covid ventilator" is just bringing up the same studies about how patients who get ventilated have higher mortality, which isn't saying the same thing.

Just anecdotally, since I am close with a doctor, they stopped rushing to vent and now they treat with Remdesivir and steroids. Looking at the graphs for my state, we have about half the critical care rate at similar or greater detected cases than the spring, so better treatment seems to be a 2xish improvement for hospitalized patients?

They vent at the same point as before, based on breathing. But they were telling people not to come in until they were having difficulty breathing, because they didn't have any early treatment or any space. Having access to remdesivir/steroids would mean people should come in for treatment early, but it only helps if given very early. But if infection numbers were large enough then we probably wouldn't manage to treat everyone early enough, so it would cut the rate of severe cases by an unknown amount.

Re: As U.S. schools shuttered, student mental health cratered, survey finds

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Post by vasachi »

peytn wrote: post #426
bsder wrote: post #414

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> The fallout of all of this will take years to unravel, and it all likely points to overkill. No, the biggest problem was the vast underkill at the start. After that, everybody was screwed. For starters, a whole bunch of things needed funding . Mask manufacturers should have been given contracts so they would switch to 24/7 production--didn't happen. Unemployment needed to be funded so people could stay home when st…

Before delving into accusations of maliciousness, might I suggest you first review the annual budgets of the relevant public health agencies? At least a hundred billion dollars have been spent by my government during my lifetime on public health. Some of this spending was overseen by the very same officials you see on TV condemning others for their poor performance. The budgets they were given feel to me like more th…

Foreseeable, eh? Are there any other foreseeable pandemics we need to know about and prepare for?

Re: As U.S. schools shuttered, student mental health cratered, survey finds

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Post by lazyasciiart »

staplers wrote: post #422
stephen_g wrote: post #419

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How about here in Australia? I think our outcomes look pretty good. We went hard and early, locked down, and now we basically have no restrictions internally (apart from not being able to travel internationally except to New Zealand (travel bubble should be starting in two or three weeks), and having to quarantine on entry coming from anywhere but NZ for two weeks and with two negative tests on I think the 10th and 1…

To be fair, it's a lot easier to isolate an island than multiple international hubs for many different types of people (LA, SF, NYC). Also having leadership which denies anything is bad until a major sports league (NBA) takes action doesn't help.

It helped that states in Australia could close their borders internally. The US justification for having different legal systems in each state, experimentation, doesn't apply when states basically aren't allowed to close their borders.

Re: As U.S. schools shuttered, student mental health cratered, survey finds

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Post by wizzard »

oceanplexian wrote: post #284
monocasa wrote: post #78

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There's pretty much no evidence for that. Kids are asymptomatic and the virus is so out of control that it's difficult to track down the graph of infections from kids is all. Additionally teachers and school staff tilt pretty heavily to high risk groups. Watching so many of the adults die in their life would absolutely give kids depression too.

Maybe it's a pet peeve of mine but the onus is not on public health institutions to prove or disprove a negative. Saying "There's not evidence of the virus _not_ spreading in Cohort X" is an almost impossible position. If you have evidence to show it's spreading, then present it, and make public policy decisions based on said evidence. If you don't have evidence, then you should not be making policy.

It's a pet peeve of mine for people to make a bold statement like "Covid barely spreads through children" when there's no scientific consensus yet.

I want it to be true, but it would be pretty incredible if it were. There are probably other factors at play.

Re: As U.S. schools shuttered, student mental health cratered, survey finds

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Post by GlennS »

s1artibartfast wrote: post #371
reaperducer wrote: post #79

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Kids would be pretty depressed being surrounded by a 8 digit body count in the US too. Kudos for expressing an unpopular opinion. I'll express another one: I think the whole thing about "ZOMG! Suicide rates through the roof!!!elevelty!1!" is blown out of proportion, largely thanks to pseudo-news web sites trying to grab clicks on the internet. The school district where I live put out a press release lamenting an 18%…

For what it is worth, the total COVID death count for under 18 in the US is 200. This includes children with serious risk factors eg cancer, immune disorders, etc

This is just a part of the picture (although it's a good number to see).

You also need to know whether children spread the disease.

Re: As U.S. schools shuttered, student mental health cratered, survey finds

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Post by onethought »

staplers wrote: post #422
stephen_g wrote: post #419

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How about here in Australia? I think our outcomes look pretty good. We went hard and early, locked down, and now we basically have no restrictions internally (apart from not being able to travel internationally except to New Zealand (travel bubble should be starting in two or three weeks), and having to quarantine on entry coming from anywhere but NZ for two weeks and with two negative tests on I think the 10th and 1…

To be fair, it's a lot easier to isolate an island than multiple international hubs for many different types of people (LA, SF, NYC). Also having leadership which denies anything is bad until a major sports league (NBA) takes action doesn't help.

This sentiment is trying to say the US doesn’t have effective border control. When it completely does.

If the US wanted an international lockdown, it could have had one.

Re: As U.S. schools shuttered, student mental health cratered, survey finds

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Post by manwe150 »

lazyasciiart wrote: post #442
tehjoker wrote: post #431

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just anecdotally, since I am close with a doctor, they stopped rushing to vent and now they treat with Remdesivir and steroids. Looking at the graphs for my state, we have about half the critical care rate at similar or greater detected cases than the spring, so better treatment seems to be a 2xish improvement for hospitalized patients?

They vent at the same point as before, based on breathing. But they were telling people not to come in until they were having difficulty breathing, because they didn't have any early treatment or any space. Having access to remdesivir/steroids would mean people should come in for treatment early, but it only helps if given very early. But if infection numbers were large enough then we probably wouldn't manage to trea…

Is Remdesivir still in wide use? I know it was given emergency approval in the US, but I thought wider trials were now thought to show a lack of demonstrable results.

Re: As U.S. schools shuttered, student mental health cratered, survey finds

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Post by dang »

renewiltord wrote: post #47

Teachers' unions saw an opening and they took it. The fact that private schools in SF have been open for so long safely with no public schools open should tell you all you need to know. I, for one, love it. When you're on this side of the wealth spectrum, an expanding gap lifts your ship and sinks the other guy. And I'm all for the pursuit of sheer greed. If other people want to hamstring themselves for whatever reas…

Please don't take HN into flamewar like you did in this thread. It's basically vandalism and most certainly not what this site is for. Seriously not cool.

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