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Cancel We The Web? (2020)

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Re: Cancel We The Web? (2020)

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Post by young_unixer »

innagadadavida wrote: post #43
duck wrote: post #29

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Here is the thread in question: https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1172283772428906496.html

Has anyone done any investigations whether she had a profit motive doing what she did? Did she get paid by someone? Did she just do it out of spite to RMS? Or just to get plain attention?

She's been doing this for the last ~4 years or so.

Everytime I stumble upon her name, it's never for a good reason, it's always some sort of controversy or attack against someone, so I would say no, it's not money, she actually is that way.

Re: Cancel We The Web? (2020)

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Post by dguaraglia »

prvc wrote: post #79
dguaraglia wrote: post #63

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Would you agree then that participating in the 'anti-anti' mobs is also a possible form of feigned 'empathy'?

>Would you agree then that participating in the 'anti-anti' mobs is also a possible form of feigned 'empathy'? You have misread the comment twice over. I wrote nothing that would preclude your scenario from being a possibility, and I also wrote nothing about assuming a false pretense. In my opinion, wrt "empathy", most of the mob participants are just fooling themselves, and the cynical drivers of these controversies…

> You have misread the comment twice over.

I didn't.

> I wrote nothing that would preclude your scenario from being a possibility

That's kind of my point: there's a lot of questioning the motivations of the 'cancel culture mob' around these parts recently, but very little questioning of the motivations of the 'anti cancel culture mob'. It almost feels like there's a gaping blind spot there.

Unsurprisingly, a significant percentage of the 'anti cancel culture' controversy seems to be driven by a tiny fraction of people. One could even argue that both the 'cancel culture' and 'anti cancel culture' mobs are tiny. And yet, somehow, Hacker News seems to heavily favor the 'anti cancel culture' angle.

Go figure, huh?

Re: Cancel We The Web? (2020)

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Post by smt88 »

SpicyLemonZest wrote: post #56
smt88 wrote: post #22

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If Nadine means this absolutely, she opens herself up to easy counterpoints in the extreme. Ex: What if I work at a hospital and make an intellectual argument in favor of eugenics? What if I have Jewish coworkers and publish statistics about the percentage of media executives that are Jewish? In these cases, "punishment" may also just mean that you've made people unwilling to collaborate with you, or you've done some…

This argument doesn't seem applicable to Stallman, since his problematic arguments had nothing to do with his work, and since many people were willing to collaborate with him. The argument against him seemed to be that it's wrong, "exclusionary", to have a community figure who anyone finds too offensive to collaborate with, even if the community members are largely okay with him.

I probably should have been more clear that I was commenting specifically on the absolutism of the parent comment, not on Stallman.

Re: Cancel We The Web? (2020)

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Post by [deleted] »

Andrew_nenakhov wrote: post #59

> Sarah Mei then went through the board members involved one by one, digging into each of their histories, and tweeting what she viewed as fire-worthy infractions. What a [negative adjective removed at moderator's request] human being. Worst of all, she probably views her activity as a worthy contribution to society.

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Re: Cancel We The Web? (2020)

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Post by jimbob45 »

adolph wrote: post #110
jimbob45 wrote: post #81

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No, not others. Just those who would themselves cancel. After all, how did we solve McCarthy if not by removing him from power?

With the highly publicized Army–McCarthy hearings of 1954, and following the suicide of Wyoming Senator Lester C. Hunt that same year, McCarthy's support and popularity faded. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_McCarthy According to the theory, when articulating preferences individuals frequently tailor their choices to what appears socially acceptable. In other words, they convey preferences that differ from what…

I certainly agree that a high- profile suicide or equally heinous act would accelerate cancel culture into its demise but surely waiting for catastrophic disaster like that is not a realistic strategy.

Re: Cancel We The Web? (2020)

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Post by SpicyLemonZest »

_euac wrote: post #101
google234123 wrote: post #91

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Has Dave Chappell's (or any other comedian's) jokes led to other people being harassed and led them to question their safety? Should they be "cancelled" and erased from society?

There's a whole gaping chasm between Dave Chappelle - a world-famous comedian - making what is clearly a joke on a stage and some anonymous person posting edgy white supremacist shit 'for the lulz'. In case you haven't been following the news, that's the kind of radicalization tool that resulted in a not insignificant amount of the population believing that QAnon was real and that storming the capitol and killing a p…

There's certainly a chasm, but is there anything in the chasm beyond mere social status? I don't want to strawman your argument, but that really seems to be the core; it's a joke if a world-famous comedian says it, but "edgy white supremacist shit 'for the lulz'" if an anonymous nobody does.

Re: Cancel We The Web? (2020)

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Post by r3trohack3r »

_euac wrote: post #76
r3trohack3r wrote: post #24

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“Good times breed weak [humans]” But I see it differently. I feel the wolves are in sheep’s skin, and are trying to convince me the sheep are wolves.

I'm always curious about this line of thinking. What exactly do you think people are gaining by - say - denouncing sexism or other kinds of awful behavior? What's so wolfish about that?

Here is how a wolf would disrupt the commons: http://www.groklaw.net/pdf/Comes-3096.pdf

Re: Cancel We The Web? (2020)

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Post by klodolph »

manigandham wrote: post #96
klodolph wrote: post #38

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I think that this is just an attempt at explaining away toxic behavior without taking responsibility for it. People in the OSS community can, at times, glorify toxic behavior. I know people who take it as a badge of honor to "speak the truth", "speak directly", or "have no filter". Speaking directly and speaking the truth are good ideals to have, but if you really want to PROVE that you speak the truth and don't fear…

The word "toxic" has been so overused as to become meaningless.

Strongly disagree. While people do misuse the word, it has meaning and can be figured out from context.

Re: Cancel We The Web? (2020)

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Post by smsm42 »

r3trohack3r wrote: post #100
smsm42 wrote: post #49

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TBH, I has been participating in open source since the 1990s, and I never seen the actual stigma like you describe. Yes, OSS projects were laughed at, dismissed as hobbyist and unserious, insinuated to be low quality and "worth exactly how much you pay for it" - all that happened all the time. But implying OSS people are mentally ill... maybe somebody did it, but I've never seen it. And I did work with people from Mi…

Here is a nice document about their approach to “evangelism” http://www.groklaw.net/pdf/Comes-3096.pdf And some nice documentation on patent trolling to make the commons financially unviable, this destroyed lives: http://techrights.org/2007/10/22/lasuit-evolution-linux/ And examples of when they paid folks to go spread a bunch of misinformation about the commons: http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/AstroTurfing

I know there was a concerted FUD effort and much dirty playing, including all the stuff you are pointing out. What I specifically didn't see is usage of mental illness as a weapon against OSS.
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