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As U.S. schools shuttered, student mental health cratered, survey finds

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Re: As U.S. schools shuttered, student mental health cratered, survey finds

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Post by silvi9 »

fullshark wrote: post #377

The fallout of all of this will take years to unravel, and it all likely points to overkill. Was it justified given uncertainty (i.e. prepare for the p90 or p95 outcome)? Possibly. But what I saw from the leadership class the last year was a complete disregard for the concerns of the little people and their livelihoods. Once things got politicized re: Trump, the most polarizing american political figure of my lifetim…

Gen Z today are becoming increasingly more isolated; the long-term effects of this are yet to be known and could be serious. But it angers me that this is often an issue that's overlooked, especially when it's such a prevalent one.

It's truly disturbing to think of the little regard there is for the mental health of young people, especially in an age fraught with enough social isolation as it is. Gen Z will be forever known as The Lonely Generation if something won't be done to help.

Recently, RTE News in Ireland did a segment covering short films that young people made about their experiences in lockdown (link here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v_jZWm6tzpQ), and it was truly harrowing to hear what they had to say and the short films that resulted.

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Post by danaliv »

barney54 wrote: post #176
thaumaturgy wrote: post #132

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Speaking for myself: the biggest consequence for me, in terms of mental health, has been the total erosion of my belief that most people were basically good, and decent, and cared about the welfare of others. It was a choice I made years ago; I wanted to be the sort of person that believed those things, even when there was occasional evidence to the contrary. But 2020 brought a trifecta of social stress that laid bar…

Why won’t you be able to see these people the same way again? Your comment seems like you are prejudging people without providing a reason to do so.

It’s not prejudging at all. It’s judging the real (in)actions of people. Things that people have been doing and not doing for the past year. This is not “I think you might...”, it’s “I know you did.”

Re: As U.S. schools shuttered, student mental health cratered, survey finds

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Post by JediWing »

HonestOp001 wrote: post #390
cassalian wrote: post #9

Anyone else find it strange that a country that has often fallen in line with "think of the children" arguments for hypothetical dangers appears to be completely uncaring about very real dangers of social isolation that are impacting our youth?

It is never about the children. It is always about he teachers unions using students and children to accomplish a political goal. If you do not raise teacher pay, you are hurting children. Do not fund education in the next funding round, hurting the children. The second the teachers needed to be brave and show what bravery was, they buckled, hid, and showed that it was all bluster.

...Because not wanting to expose kids to COVID at the height of the pandemic is so very uncaring of children?

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Post by monocasa »

stolenmerch wrote: post #310
reaperducer wrote: post #79

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Kids would be pretty depressed being surrounded by a 8 digit body count in the US too. Kudos for expressing an unpopular opinion. I'll express another one: I think the whole thing about "ZOMG! Suicide rates through the roof!!!elevelty!1!" is blown out of proportion, largely thanks to pseudo-news web sites trying to grab clicks on the internet. The school district where I live put out a press release lamenting an 18%…

Not only unpopular, but probably prematurely incorrect. "Mental health consequences of the COVID-19 crisis including suicidal behavior are likely to be present for a long time and peak later than the actual pandemic." https://academic.oup.com/qjmed/article/113/10/707/5857612

I didn't argue that there wouldn't be mental health consequences or that they wouldn't continue past covid. Just that "no mental health consequences" wasn't an option on the table, and not having lockdowns leaves you with 10s millions dead on top of probably worse mental health consequences.

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Post by [deleted] »

antiterra wrote: post #348
reaperducer wrote: post #79

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Kids would be pretty depressed being surrounded by a 8 digit body count in the US too. Kudos for expressing an unpopular opinion. I'll express another one: I think the whole thing about "ZOMG! Suicide rates through the roof!!!elevelty!1!" is blown out of proportion, largely thanks to pseudo-news web sites trying to grab clicks on the internet. The school district where I live put out a press release lamenting an 18%…

> I'll express another one: I think the whole thing about "ZOMG! Suicide rates through the roof!!!elevelty!1!" is blown out of proportion Tacky childish mocking of valid concern over the mental health of children, some of whom are truly not doing well, is a garbage take. There are kids crying on a daily basis because of this Zoom shit and the expectations placed on them. While they will (likely) survive, it’s not goo…

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Post by [deleted] »

renewiltord wrote: post #73
zamzoid wrote: post #65

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Wow. Maybe you didn’t intend this (or maybe you’re just trolling??) but this comment comes across as one of the most callous and tone-deaf things I have ever read. Like, Ebenezer Scrooge level. Families who can’t afford to send their children to private schools are clearly negatively affected by this through basically no fault of their own, and I cannot understand why you choose applaud that. Maybe consider deleting…

Okay, I can see how it comes across. Personally, I want America to succeed and I think closing schools is bad for that because we're damaging people who are far more precious than us (the next generation). But people get what people vote for. They could smash the teaching unions if they want to. But they could choose not to. So if you choose a path I warned you about and it hurts you, I'm happy to find some positivit…

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Post by reilly3000 »

jacob2484 wrote: post #197
emkoemko wrote: post #143

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if US really cared about children they would ended the humanitarian crisis in Yemen... so far 85 000+ children under 5 starved to death and they saying 400,000 are going to if this blockade doesn't end.

It's up to the U.S. to fix every single problem?

We could end it in a minute if there wasn’t Security-for-Oil based policy.

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Post by 3131s »

superflit wrote: post #98
renewiltord wrote: post #73

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Okay, I can see how it comes across. Personally, I want America to succeed and I think closing schools is bad for that because we're damaging people who are far more precious than us (the next generation). But people get what people vote for. They could smash the teaching unions if they want to. But they could choose not to. So if you choose a path I warned you about and it hurts you, I'm happy to find some positivit…

You are right and you are being down voted for speaking the truth.

You both are pathetic. Go pay off your debt, dumbass, because it sounds like you're one step away from being one of the people that this complete idiot renewiltord is referring to.

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Post by JoshuaDavid »

monocasa wrote: post #264
whatthesmack wrote: post #222

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> ..with lockdowns in effect enough to keep hospitalization rates below capacity. My understanding is that lockdowns didn't really change things significantly, so the "with lockdowns in effect" is not really relevant. See California (extreme lockdowns from the top) vs Florida (a bit of lockdown from the top) and their associated infection rate per 100k, which is nearly the same.

You would be mistaken then. Government interventions like lockdowns and school closings were a very good response. https://science.sciencemag.org/content/371/6531/eabd9338

So do you think Florida is lying and underestimating the number of COVID deaths to greater extent than California is, or the California is exaggerating the number of COVID deaths, or maybe that there's a difference in behavior between Floridians and Californians (maybe California had stricter laws but Floridians act more responsibly in terms of disease prevention).

If you don't have such an explanation, and California, with some of the most stringent measures in the US, had similar outcomes to Florida, with a much laxer approach, I'm not sure how you come to the conclusion that California's approach was "very good".

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Post by jacobolus »

nostrademons wrote: post #313
dehrmann wrote: post #269

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The big, open question is why Florida and California have seen such similar case rates despite radically different approaches.

There's less difference than their public policies might suggest. Reportedly lots of senior citizens in Florida voluntarily social-distanced themselves from everybody. The press reported on square dancing and packed beaches, but the anecdotes I heard were that vulnerable individuals were taking things very seriously (despite the lack of restrictions) and self-quarantining away from everyone else. Meanwhile, in SoCal,…

Indeed, San Francisco has dramatically better Covid outcomes than almost all large US cities.

The thing SF screwed up worst was opening indoor restaurants/bars for a couple months in the Autumn, which alongside holiday gatherings/winter weather resulted in a more than 10x increase in cases during that time (thankfully starting from a very low baseline). I would guess that mistake is responsible for more than half of all Covid deaths in the city, as both before and after that period (after suitably offsetting the data by a couple weeks to account for delay between action and visible outcomes) case rates were steadily declining.

SF also did a poor job, especially early on, at getting targeted testing and outreach to working class neighborhoods.

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